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<p class="MsoNormal">On a lark, I skimmed the headlines of the 500 oldest open bugs. Sure a bunch of them are likely to be irrelevant now (I see some reported against dragonegg for example), but not all of them—some are still reasonable feature requests for
example. I’d argue against a mass closure purely on the basis of age.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--paulr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> David Blaikie <dblaikie@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2020 9:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robinson, Paul <paul.robinson@sony.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ehud Katz <ehudkatz@gmail.com>; Craig Topper <craig.topper@gmail.com>; llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [llvm-dev] Backward compatibility of LLVM IR - ll/bc files<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 6:42 AM Robinson, Paul via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Older releases are still available for download at
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releases.llvm.org</a>; I believe the 3.0 release was supposed to be able to read 2.x bitcode, so you should be able to upgrade the bitcode with 3.0 tools and proceed from there. I *<b>think</b>* everything since 3.0 is still readable by current tools.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The project generally has not favored indefinite backward compatibility. There have not been any major bitcode format changes since then, so there has been little motivation to
declare another compatibility break. Being able to read 9-year-old bitcode does not seem like a valuable feature, given the above workaround.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Let me say, though, that I fully support efforts to review and address old bugs. The LLVM project as a whole fixes (or otherwise closes) only about 2/3 of reported bugs. Improving
that statistic would be very nice.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Agreed - though not sure what the chance of bugs that old still being relevant, given how much LLVM changes over time. If most of those older bugs are no longer relevant, it might be more useful to mass-close them and spend the effort that might've gone into
reproducing/updating them into looking at more recent bugs. But certainly "dealer's choice" - if looking at older bugs takes someone's fancy especially, that's cool :)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">--paulr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ehud Katz via llvm-dev<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 27, 2020 3:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Craig Topper <<a href="mailto:craig.topper@gmail.com" target="_blank">craig.topper@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [llvm-dev] Backward compatibility of LLVM IR - ll/bc files<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I admit I didn't know about that, but that is because I am handling a lot of
<b>old</b> bugs, older than LLVM version 3.0.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Version 3.0 has been released in Dec 1st 2011, and there are still many bugs open from before that point.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The current BC Reader can't parse files produced by LLVM version 2.9 and below (I've checked).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So, I wonder if there is anyone in favor, against (, or just doesn't care) for supporting those versions?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 8:18 AM Craig Topper <<a href="mailto:craig.topper@gmail.com" target="_blank">craig.topper@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 9:29 PM Ehud Katz via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Quite often I get to work on an old bug, where an old ll/bc file is attached as a testcase. These files, in most cases (if not all), need to be converted somehow to the latest format,
for the trunk version to be able to parse it without an error.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So a few questions arise:<o:p></o:p></p>
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