<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">I wonder what kind of popup you got? I opened the link in a "private window" of my browser, I am not logged into any Google service, and the doc just opens directly without any popup. I can also comment "anonymously" on the document apparently. I would expect that the experience I relate here is "privacy friendly"? (I'm curious why you didn't get the same, maybe connecting from Europe imposes the popup?).</div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">+1. No popups, I can view and comment on the doc from a private session from Berlin, Germany.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18. Feb 2020, at 19:15, Mehdi AMINI via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 2:55 AM David Chisnall via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Tanya,<br class=""><br class="">On 18/02/2020 00:56, Tanya Lattner wrote:<br class="">> I understand not everyone wants to use Google docs which was why I gave an option to reply via email as well. My intention on using Google docs is really just based on my experience using it for docs that span different groups of people and it is what I primarily use for text documents.<br class=""><br class="">As I understand it from the pop-ups on the page, I cannot *read* a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Google doc without agreeing to a somewhat invasive privacy policy. As<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">such, an option to reply via email does not help me if my goal is to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">avoid agreeing to this policy.<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wonder what kind of popup you got? I opened the link in a "private window" of my browser, I am not logged into any Google service, and the doc just opens directly without any popup. I can also comment "anonymously" on the document apparently. I would expect that the experience I relate here is "privacy friendly"? (I'm curious why you didn't get the same, maybe connecting from Europe imposes the popup?).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br class="">Irrespective of your intent (and I strongly believe that this is not<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">your intention) or the value of the tools, the message that you are<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">sending is being received as 'you must agree to Google's privacy policy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">to participate in discussions that are core to the LLVM community'.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Your replies in this thread are being perceived as the LLVM Foundation<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">does not care and does not value the privacy of its constituency.<br class=""><br class="">The CoC draft currently on the LLVM web site states:<br class=""><br class=""> > Be considerate. Your work will be used by other people, and you in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">turn will depend on the work of others. Any decision you take will<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">affect users and colleagues, and you should take those consequences into<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">account<br class=""><br class="">During the switch to GitHub, there were very long discussions about<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">moving to a tool that is blocked in some countries, is under the control<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">of a single company, and requires signing up to a fairly complex set of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">T&Cs to use. The consensus (though not unanimous) view was that the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">benefits significantly outweighed the costs. This deliberation process<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">took several months and the community heard many arguments on both sides.<br class=""><br class="">A similar discussion took place with regards to Discord and the privacy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">policy there was seen as a reason that a sufficiently large proportion<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">of the community would not wish to participate that it was a problem.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">There has been no such deliberation on the merits of Google Docs (or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Office 365, or any other proprietary document hosting service).<br class=""><br class="">If placing this on Google Docs was your personal decision and not any<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">form of official LLVM Foundation policy, then I would ask that you<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">reflect on what I have said and place it in a more inclusive location,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">such as a Phabricator diff to the existing CoC.<br class=""><br class="">David<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">LLVM Developers mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev</a><br class=""></blockquote></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">LLVM Developers mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>