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<p>In our experience, the fact that IRC is niche and relatively
inaccessible and lo-fi means that it's much less likely to suffer
abuse; it's effectively security through obscurity. However, if
you want to expand your community to be more accessible and
inclusive, then by definition you make it easier for bad actors to
enter and participate as well as constructive participants. Throw
in richer content such as images, videos, avatars, file transfer,
large messages, etc and sadly you find yourself needing better
moderation tools. ymmv of course.<br>
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<div> What I'm curious about is how often that level of control
over moderation has been needed in the past with our IRC. I
certainly agree that it's missing many moderation features,
I'm just not yet convinced that we need those moderation
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<div>Redactions (Removing Messages) - We can't do that with
IRC either</div>
<div>Managing Abusive Display Names / Avatars - We can kick
people from the Slack</div>
<div>Power levels / Roles - IRC has this in very limited
capacity, but I don't believe we've ever needed anything
other than "normal user" and "admin". Slack has that.</div>
<div>Kicking and banning users - Slack has this</div>
<div>(I don't know what the rest of the topics are about under
Moderating Rooms)</div>
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<div>Consenting to Terms and Conditions - IRC doesn't have
this<br>
Removing users, rooms and content - Slack Admins can do this<br>
Banning clients by IP - We probably don't want to do this
anyway as it could cause an entire organization to be banned<br>
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<div>Reporting bad content - Discord doesn't do this<br>
Blocking users - This one seems valid, Discord does allow
you to do this and so does IRC. I actually don't know if
Slack does.<br>
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<p>Slack's community moderation features are pretty terrible
- it's simply not set up for managing public-facing
communities; it's set up for managing private workplace
team collaboration. The best way to try to explain the
features which are missing are to look at something like
the Matrix moderation guide (<a
href="https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/</a>);
many of these features are missing in Slack.</p>
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<div dir="ltr">I suspected it may be related to Discord's
heavy emphasis on role-based permissions, but it would
be good to get an official answer. Slack definitely
does have administrators, and Administrators can kick
people out of the slack, which... might be sufficient?
I don't know . From a usability standpoint, Discord is
vastly inferior to Slack so I think it's worth doing
this comparison</div>
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at 7:38 AM Finkel, Hal J. <<a
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<div>On 11/19/19 9:09 AM, Zachary Turner via
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does not have these problems. Not sure why
that keeps being overlooked <br>
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<p>My understanding is this is because Slack does
not have good moderation tools. I'm unfamiliar
with further details in this regard.<br>
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<p> -Hal<br>
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