<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>I have just raised:</div><div><a href="https://bugs.llvm.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41797">https://bugs.llvm.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41797</a> - MCA library document<br></div><div><a href="https://bugs.llvm.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41796">https://bugs.llvm.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41796</a> - Add support for in-order processors</div><div><br></div><div>-Andrea<br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 5:24 PM Sjoerd Meijer <<a href="mailto:Sjoerd.Meijer@arm.com">Sjoerd.Meijer@arm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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No worries, thanks for the info!</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 03 May 2019 15:55<br>
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Hi Andrea,</div>
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We have quite a few Arm A-cores and also M-cores that would classify as in-order superscalars. I have been wanting to play with MCA for a while now, but never got round to it. I would be really interested in using it though. <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Just
out of curiousity (I haven't looked much into this), why are the instruction itineraries more important for in-order cores? </span></div>
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<div>Sorry for the confusion.</div>
<div>I didn't mean that itineraries are more important for in-order cores. I probably shouldn't have mentioned itineraries at all (ideally, for new subtargets should use schedmodel instead of itineraries) ;-).<br>
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<div>Back to the topic: I think that it would be nice to add support in-order processors.<br>
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<div>We should raise a bug for it, so that we can track the progress on that task.</div>
<div>I would obviously do my best to help with the development.</div>
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Cheers,</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 03 May 2019 12:42<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Shoaib Meenai; lorenzo chelini; <a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">
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On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 8:19 AM Sjoerd Meijer via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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I read that out-of-order cores are supported. How about in-order cores? Would it be easy/difficult to add support for that?</div>
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<div>I don't think that it would be difficult to support in-order superscalar cores.</div>
<div>However, it would require a different llvm-mca pipeline of stages. That is because some stages (and simulated hardware components) work under the assumption that the processor is out-of-order (example: the dispatch stage and the retire stage).</div>
<div>That being sadi, it would be a bit more complicated to add support instruction itineraries. At the moment, the tool doesn't understand itineraries.<br>
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Hi Lorenzo,</p>
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I’ll answer the first question you have:</p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">> I would like to use llvm-mca to estimate the IPC of a given code region. I am interested in the library version (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__reviews.llvm.org_D50929-3Fid-3D162210&d=DwMFAg&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=o3kDXzdBUE3ljQXKeTWOMw&m=Ehy5cbFrTOTrtNpj4jTjwnMXspCxyoUuKpn3m8pxGpg&s=iEwPb0T8FqcGV-IscWqa3SAw64L-buGNLYvMLOgWoi4&e=" target="_blank">https://reviews.llvm.org/D50929?id=162210</a>)
but I have troubles understanding how to use it. Could you please point me to some documentations or (better) some code examples if any?</span></p>
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The best example of the llvm-mca library being used is the actual llvm-mca tool itself. If you look in llvm/tools/llvm-mca/llvm-mca.cpp you’ll see that it is just a large program that uses the llvm-mca API and library. You’ll want to look at main() where
the default pipline is created and the viewers are associated to that pipeline instance.</p>
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You’ll need to construct an mca::Context and use that to create a mca::Pipeline instance. For starters, I suggest just using the default “out-of-order” pipeline. “createDefaultPipeline”</li><li class="gmail-m_8496891824777456814x_m_7689676679623802249gmail-m_8840425029614668027x_gmail-m_-8372716903124045064x_MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Next, register some handlers take a look at the HWEventListener class in include/llvm/MCA. Use “Pipeline::addEventListener” to register for the events you might be interested in, such as pipeline stalls.</li></ol>
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llvm-mca.cpp does this on behalf of the Viewers. If you trace what the viewers are doing in the source file, you’ll probably</p>
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want to do something similar. </p>
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Call “Pipeline::run” to start your experiment and collect performance information.</li></ol>
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Your second question:</p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">> Reading the documentation (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__llvm.org_docs_CommandGuide_llvm-2Dmca.html&d=DwMFAg&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=o3kDXzdBUE3ljQXKeTWOMw&m=Ehy5cbFrTOTrtNpj4jTjwnMXspCxyoUuKpn3m8pxGpg&s=5845DcPA4uSN_lgPE_SlH6XwRSShIfPIvYR1t8AZHpU&e=" target="_blank">https://llvm.org/docs/CommandGuide/llvm-mca.html</a>)
it also seems that llvm-mca does not take into account the cache hierarchy. Does this mean that the tool assumes all the loads/stores hit the L1 cache?</span></p>
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As you pointed out, MCA does not really model the cache hierarchy. You might want to take a look at the Load/Store unit documentation as well:
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You probably already saw this from the CommandGuide for llvm-mca, but I’ll repeat it here:</p>
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“The LSUnit does not attempt to predict if a load or store hits or misses the L1 cache. It only knows if an instruction “MayLoad” and/or “MayStore.” For loads, the scheduling model provides an “optimistic” load-to-use latency (which usually matches the load-to-use
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Hope that helps,</p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 11:34 AM<br>
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(Adding Matt Davis, who should be able to help out here.)</p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org</a>> on behalf of lorenzo chelini via llvm-dev
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<b>Reply-To: </b>lorenzo chelini <<a href="mailto:l.chelini@icloud.com" target="_blank">l.chelini@icloud.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 4:15 AM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>[llvm-dev] Llvm-mca library.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Hi All,</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I would like to use llvm-mca to estimate the IPC of a given code region. I am interested in the library version (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__reviews.llvm.org_D50929-3Fid-3D162210&d=DwMFAg&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=o3kDXzdBUE3ljQXKeTWOMw&m=Ehy5cbFrTOTrtNpj4jTjwnMXspCxyoUuKpn3m8pxGpg&s=iEwPb0T8FqcGV-IscWqa3SAw64L-buGNLYvMLOgWoi4&e=" target="_blank">https://reviews.llvm.org/D50929?id=162210</a>)
but I have troubles understanding how to use it. Could you please point me to some documentations or (better) some code examples if any?</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Reading the documentation (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__llvm.org_docs_CommandGuide_llvm-2Dmca.html&d=DwMFAg&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=o3kDXzdBUE3ljQXKeTWOMw&m=Ehy5cbFrTOTrtNpj4jTjwnMXspCxyoUuKpn3m8pxGpg&s=5845DcPA4uSN_lgPE_SlH6XwRSShIfPIvYR1t8AZHpU&e=" target="_blank">https://llvm.org/docs/CommandGuide/llvm-mca.html</a>)
it also seems that llvm-mca does not take into account the cache hierarchy. Does this mean that the tool assumes all the loads/stores hit the L1 cache?</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Looking forward to hearing from you.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Best regards,</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Lorenzo Chelini.</span></p>
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