<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 23, 2018, at 10:14, Chris Lattner <<a href="mailto:clattner@nondot.org" class="">clattner@nondot.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 23, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Duncan P. N. Exon Smith <<a href="mailto:dexonsmith@apple.com" class="">dexonsmith@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">I think we might be better off just reducing the pre-allocation size of most of our SmallVectors across LLVM and Clang. They're all wild guesses, never profiled. Especially for vectors of relatively "large" elements, the pre-allocation optimization just doesn't make that much sense. I'd go as far as to suggest providing a default SmallVector N value of something like `sizeof(void*) * 3 / sizeof(T)`, i.e. by default, every SmallVector is at most 6 pointers big.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Interesting idea... and then audit current instances to drop the size argument.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Note that a SmallVector with N value of 0 takes the same storage as an N value of 1, so very large sizeof(T) would still use more than 6 pointers. The cause is that SmallVectorTemplateCommon stores the first element so that it can detect small mode by comparing BeginX against &FirstEl. The fix would be to shave a bit off of capacity (dropping max capacity to 2B)... likely reasonable.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The patch LGTM, but why would someone actually have a SmallVector with N = 0? Isn’t that a vector?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>It's a vector that can be passed as a SmallVectorImpl parameter. But yeah, mostly misguided.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">Also if you’re not familiar with it, TinyPtrVector is a very useful type for vectors that are highly biased towards 0/1 element and whose elements are pointer size. It was added relatively late in LLVM’s evolution, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there are still smallvectors that should be upgraded. TinyPtrVector is designed for use on the heap.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yup, it's great for pointers. Maybe we should make a TinyVector for non-pointers and call it a day.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">If we're going to audit anyway, I wonder if forking names would make sense. E.g., the current thing would be less tempting to use in data structures if it were called StackVector. But that wouldn't be a fun change to roll out across sub-projects.</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>