<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div>So i was implementing dynamic linking and relocation for Hexagon target. After implementing runtimedynamic linking and relocation, i wrote some test cases.When i run them it shows "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:calibri,arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Program used external function 'printf' which could not be resolved!". Can anyone help as why such errors come and how to resolve them ?</span></div><div><font color="#000000" face="calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks,</font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Siddharth</font></div><div><font color="#000000" face="calibri, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Siddharth Shankar Swain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.ac.in" target="_blank">h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.ac.in</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks. I am just trying to find a relocation and linking design for Hexagon architecture, whether to follow the MIPS style of relocation or other architecture style of relocation. Thats my question . Thats why i was asking about the functions and their differences Please guide.<div>Thanks,</div><div>Siddharth</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 8:37 PM, mats petersson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mats@planetcatfish.com" target="_blank">mats@planetcatfish.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>If you look at the actual code, it's fairly obvious that the approach is different, in that the COFF versions have a single architecture per class, the ELF supports many different architectures in the same source code.<br><br></div><div>I'm not going to go through hundreds of lines of code and explain exactly how they are different (mostly0 because I'm lazy, but partly becasue I don't actually KNOW this code - I'm just reading it with a moderate understanding of the overall goal and general understanding of how the process of linking and loading works in other software systems)<br><br></div><div>It is not clear to me why you are asking these questions. Are you planning to change/extend some of this code, or doing something else? Explaining what you want to achieve, rather than asking very open-ended questions would probably be a better way to reach your own goal. I may not be able to give you an answer, but there are people on this mailing list that has written this code and/or are currently maintaining it. They are perhaps busy and may not necessarily enter into generic questions about the overall code, but specific questions will get more attention.<br><br>--<br></div><div>Mats<br></div></div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320HOEnZb"><div class="m_-9181215958316135320h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 April 2017 at 14:54, Siddharth Shankar Swain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.ac.in" target="_blank">h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.a<wbr>c.in</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thanks for reply, it was really helpful. Can u just be more specific and tell about processRelocationRef() and resolveRelocation() in Targets/RuntimeDyld(objectfile format)(arch).h and also in RuntimeDyldELF.cpp and how the same function is implemented in different ways in both the files ?<br></div>Thanks,<br></div>Siddharth<br></div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082HOEnZb"><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:16 PM, mats petersson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mats@planetcatfish.com" target="_blank">mats@planetcatfish.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>(Again: Please always REPLY to all recipients, including llvm-dev, unless there is VERY specific reasons not to)<br><br></div>The ELF support for relocation is all baked into a single, large function for all different processor architectures. In my humble opinion, it would make the code simpler and more readable to implement this code as multiple derived classes based on architecture (there are several "if(Arch == ...)" or similar, then a large section of code for that architecture). But I've not worked on this code personally, and this is just from a basic "look at the code for a few minutes to understand it". It's probably one of those things that has evolved over time - originally only one or two processor architectures where supported, then someone added one or two more, and eventually you have a function that is ~600 lines of code and a file that is over 1800 lines, compared to the COFF_x86_64 class that is just over 200 lines for the entire file. There are positive and negative things about having large or small functions, but my personal choice would be a split - that's not to say that such a split ends up "near the top" of the priority list of "things to do to make LLVM better" - presumably the code works as it is, so changing it MAY break things.<br><br>--<br></div>Mats<br></div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804HOEnZb"><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2017 at 15:14, Siddharth Shankar Swain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.ac.in" target="_blank">h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.a<wbr>c.in</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks for the reply. It was really helpful. So to be more specific there is a processRelocationRef() and resolveRelocation() in Targets/RuntimeDyld(objectfile format)(arch).h and also in RuntimeDyldELF.cpp . Whats the different between these to and for what diff purpose they are used ?<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Siddharth</div></div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508HOEnZb"><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 7:10 PM, mats petersson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mats@planetcatfish.com" target="_blank">mats@planetcatfish.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Note: Please include the mailing list when replying to discussions, as someone else may well want to see the discussion, and may be better placed to answer.<br><br></div>Like I've tried to explain, there is a generic piece of code that understands how to load code in general (the class RuntimeDyld and related bits), and then specific implementations that derive from a base class to do the specific relocation and exception handling for that particular hardware and file-format - for each supported processor architecture and file-format, there needs to be a specific class that implements some functions (processRelocationRef is one of those). Technically, it looks like it's using a "pImpl" pattern, but the basic principle is the same either way - generic code handles the generic case, a derived class that understands how to deal with the specifics is used to actually perform relocations in that particular case.<br><br></div>Exception handling is also target-specific, so in x86-64 and i386, how exception information is stored and used is different (I don't know the exact details in this case as COFF is the file-format used on Windows, and it's been at least 8 or 10 years since I did any programming at all on a Windows machine, I know that i386 on Linux uses an exception table, and x86-64 on linux essentially has debug information [DWARF tables]). The exception information is used to determine how to unwind the stack and destroy objects on the way back to the "catch" for that particular exception. There is code required both to load the exception tables into memory, and to interpret/use those tables - but I'm not overly familiar with how that works for JIT'd code. [Actually, looking at the code for x86-64, it looks like it's mainly SEH (Structured Exception Handling) that is dealt with - the overall concept still applies, but SEH is a Windows concept for handling exceptions, which includes hardware exceptions such as integer division by zero and memory access exceptions - regular C++ exceptions are dealt with separately, and that is what uses what I described for Linux earlier in this paragraph].<br><br></div>As to WHY different architectures use different relocations and exception handling tables, that's an ABI design issue - a convention that is based on the needs and requirements for each architecture, and a bunch of compromises between simplicity (a very simple table is easy to construct), space (simple table takes up more space than a more complex table construction - like a zip file or a text file - the zip file is more complicated to read, but takes up a lot less space) and code complexity (save space in table, more complex code most likely). Either way, for a given platform (OS, Processor, file format), there is a given ABI for handling exceptions. The loader needs to load the table in the correct way into the correct part of memory, and when an exception is thrown, the table(s) need to be understood and acted upon to find the way back to the relevant place where the exception is caught.<br><br></div><div>The fact that the classes are declared in different files is similar to my simple animal example, where you'd have a animal.h for the base class, a cat.h, dog.h and fish.h for the actual implementations. Obviously, the specific implementations for the RuntimeDyld belongs in "Target" because they are dependent on the actual target (which is the combination of fileformat, OS and processor architecture).<br></div><div><br>--<br></div>Mats<div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508m_-6448943588986992765h5"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2017 at 14:04, Siddharth Shankar Swain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.ac.in" target="_blank">h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.a<wbr>c.in</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">So <span style="font-size:12.8px">RuntimeDyldELF.cpp or RuntimeDyldCOFF.cpp or RuntimeDyldMachO.cpp are doing relocation and linking for specific object file format and all architectures using that object file format. Am i correct? If that is so then these .cpp files are not using any header file in Targets/ so what are these header files in Targets/ made for ? Another thing is that why these header files in Targets/ handling exception and that too using a different concept of exception frames and exception tables. Please guide </span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Thanks,</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Siddharth</span></div></div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508m_-6448943588986992765m_4260372349742501843m_5747855015864897704HOEnZb"><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508m_-6448943588986992765m_4260372349742501843m_5747855015864897704h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 6:06 PM, mats petersson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mats@planetcatfish.com" target="_blank">mats@planetcatfish.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Basic Object Oriented design uses a derived class to implement a functionality of the generic case. It's the same basic principle as:<br><br></div>class Animal<br>{<br></div> void virtual Say() = 0;<br>};<br><br></div>class Cat: public Animal<br>{<br></div> void Say() override { cout << "Meow!" << endl; }<br>}<br><br>class Dog: public Animal<br>{<br> void Say() override { cout << "Woof!" << endl; }<br>}<br><br>class Fish: public Animal<br>{<br> void Say() override { cout << "Blub!" << endl; }<br>}<br><br></div><div>In this case, different types of COFF-architectures use different relocation entries, and based on the architecture, a specific implementation of the RelocationDyldCOFF class is created to perform the relocation.<br><br></div><div>See <a href="http://llvm.org/docs/doxygen/html/classllvm_1_1RuntimeDyldCOFF.html" target="_blank">http://llvm.org/docs/doxygen/h<wbr>tml/classllvm_1_1RuntimeDyldCO<wbr>FF.html</a> for a class diagram of how this is done.<br><br></div><div>The generic code in RuntimeDyld*.cpp only knows that relocations exists, and that they need to be dealt with. Not HOW to actually perform the relocation - just like "Animal" doesn't know what a cat or a dog "says". The processRelocationRef() is called here:<br><a href="http://llvm.org/docs/doxygen/html/RuntimeDyld_8cpp_source.html#l00251" target="_blank">http://llvm.org/docs/doxygen/h<wbr>tml/RuntimeDyld_8cpp_source.ht<wbr>ml#l00251</a><br><br></div><div>Again, it's not clear exactly what you are asking for, so I'm not sure whether my explanation is helpful or not...<br><br>--<br></div><div>Mats<br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508m_-6448943588986992765m_4260372349742501843m_5747855015864897704m_-5070627714400718213HOEnZb"><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508m_-6448943588986992765m_4260372349742501843m_5747855015864897704m_-5070627714400718213h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2017 at 12:05, Siddharth Shankar Swain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.ac.in" target="_blank">h2015096@pilani.bits-pilani.a<wbr>c.in</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thanks for the reply. I was just asking about in general whatever header files are there in Targets/ for different architectures are not including any function except this processRelocationRef() to be used in RuntimeDyldELF.cpp or RuntimeDyldCOFF.cpp or RuntimeDyldMachO.cpp and i think these files are the ones which are actually doing the relocation and linking work. So what purpose do these header files inside Targets/ actually serve. Also they include exception handling in form of exception frames, So can u guide on this issue ?<br><br></div>Thanks,<br></div>Siddharth<br></div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508m_-6448943588986992765m_4260372349742501843m_5747855015864897704m_-5070627714400718213m_6051460257481869015HOEnZb"><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508m_-6448943588986992765m_4260372349742501843m_5747855015864897704m_-5070627714400718213m_6051460257481869015h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:02 PM, mats petersson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mats@planetcatfish.com" target="_blank">mats@planetcatfish.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>The x86_64 and i386 architectures have different actual relocation records. So if you build code for i386, you need one processRelocationRef() function (handling the relevant relocations in that model), and when producing code for x86_64, there are different relocation records. The two files contain the derived form of the class that processes the relocation records when dynamically loading JITed code in LLVM - mainly implementing the two different forms of symbol entries that refer to the relocations - i386 uses COFF::IMAGE_REL_I386_*, in x86_64 the relocation types are COFF::IMAGE_REL_AMD64_*.<br><br></div><div>Conceptually, they do the same thing, it's the details of exactly how and where the relocation ends up and how it's recorded by the linker that differs.<br><br></div><div>Theoretically, one could probably construct a loadable file that doesn't care what architecture it is for, but it would end up with a lot of redundant & overlapping functionality, and the code to handle every different architecture in one huge switch-statement would be rather complex (and long!). So splitting the functionality per architecture helps make the code clear. <br><br></div><div>If you need further help to understand the code, you'll probably need to ask a more concrete question, as it is probably not possible to describe all the relevant information on this subject in less than 200 pages, never mind a simple email-thread.<br><br>--<br></div><div>Mats<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508m_-6448943588986992765m_4260372349742501843m_5747855015864897704m_-5070627714400718213m_6051460257481869015m_-3714245030167602297h5">On 20 April 2017 at 11:13, Siddharth Shankar Swain via llvm-dev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-9181215958316135320m_-2545593672813107082m_-7300922685237634804m_4183468122070716508m_-6448943588986992765m_4260372349742501843m_5747855015864897704m_-5070627714400718213m_6051460257481869015m_-3714245030167602297h5"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi,<br></div>Can anyone explain in lib/ExecutionEngine/RuntimeDyl<wbr>d/Targets/ the header files included for different architectures like RuntimeDyldCOFFX86_64.h or RuntimeDyldCOFFI386.h etc, what is the connection of these files for relocation and linking as the linking and relocation for diff architecture is done in RuntimeDyldELF.cpp, RuntimeDyldCOFF.cpp and it doesn't use any function from these header file except the processRelocationRef(). The header files in Targets/ also handles exceptions, so what is the need for that in relocation and linking process ? Also please help with what this processRelocationRef() actually does ? . Please guide.<br><br></div>sincerely,<br></div>Siddharth<br></div>
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