<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Igor,<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Igor Laevsky <<a href="mailto:igor@azulsystems.com" class="">igor@azulsystems.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Igor Laevsky <<a href="mailto:igor@azulsystems.com" class="">igor@azulsystems.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Hi Michael,<br class=""></blockquote>Hi Igor,<br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Hi Michael,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">+CC llvm-dev<br class=""><br class="">My guess is that it would be rather error prone to pinpoint exact places where we start populating new LPPassManager since it’s created lazily via LoopPass::assignPassManager. So we are risking to miss adding verifiers in some of the LPPassManager’s.<br class=""></blockquote>That’s true, I didn’t particularly like that either, but suggested as a potential workaround.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">One similar idea is to introduce LCSSAVerifier function pass and make LCSSA pass to be dependant on it. That will allow me to check ‘getAnalysisIfAvaliable<LCSSAVerifier>’ inside of the LPPassManager and explicitly call LCSSA verification when it’s present. This feels a quite hacky, but in theory should work.<br class=""></blockquote>We’ll always have to hack around something to pass a loop/list of loops to verify to the function pass. Instead, I think it would be easier to create a loop pass for LCSSAVerification and make all loop passes preserve it.<br class=""><br class="">This way, when LPM would be verifying preserved analysis, it’ll run the LCSSA verification for the current loop as well (verifyAnalysis from the new pass). We can make it depend on the existing LCSSA pass, so that requiring this one would result in building LCSSA if it’s not built yet. The verification itself will be moved from the existing LCSSA pass’s verifyAnalysis to the new pass’s verifyAnalysis (or we can keep verification in the original LCSSA pass as well, but put it under a flag). Does it make sense?<br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Seems like verifyAnalysis for LoopPass doesn’t receive any information about current loop, which leaves us with the same problem of verifying all loops on each iteration.</span></div></div></blockquote>Indeed, I see the issue now.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I guess we can introduce new verifyLoopAnalysis(Loop *L) method and call it for all loop passes. It will also require separate verifyPreservedLoopAnalysis(Loop *L). This seems like a cleanest solution. What do you think?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></div></blockquote>The thing is that we seemingly haven’t had loop analyses so far, and probably never will have them, as analyses usually work in at least a function scope. While adding verifyPreservedLoopAnalysis and verifyLoopAnalysis seem kind of ok to me, I think in the end it will only be used for verification of LCSSA and LoopSimplify, which I don’t really like.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">What I was referring to is that we can write something like this inside LPPassManager iteration:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> if (getAnalaysisIfAvaliable<LCSSAVerifier>()) { CurrentLoop->verifyLCSSA(); )</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">This will have less impact but feels a bit wrong.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></div></blockquote>Originally I didn’t like this idea, but the more I think about it the more I like it. Currently all loop passes use (or should use) getLoopAnalysisUsage to record their pass requirements, so all of them should operate on the same set of analyses. What we can do is to add a function verifyLoopAnalyses to LPM and make it call verifiers for all these analyses.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So, instead of </div><div>if (getAnalaysisIfAvaliable<LCSSAVerifier>()) { CurrentLoop->verifyLCSSA(); )</div><div>we will have</div><div> verifyLoopAnalyses(CurrentLoop);</div><div>which will do:</div><div> CurrentLoop->verifyLCSSA();</div><div> CurrentLoop->verifyLoopSimplify(); // For beginning we can skip everything except LCSSA</div><div> CurrentLoop->verifySomethingElse()</div><div><div> etc.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>What do you think?</div><div><br class=""></div><div>- Michael</div></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">Thanks,<br class="">Michael<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">— Igor<br class=""><br class="">On 14 Oct 2016, at 01:57, Mikhail Zolotukhin <<a href="mailto:mzolotukhin@apple.com" class="">mzolotukhin@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hi Igor,<br class=""><br class="">I like the second option more, and I think we can do something like this, or even more general. I'd suggest creating a new loop pass, called e.g. LoopVerification, and manually (at least for now) add it as a last pass to every instance of LPM. The pass will directly call isRecursivelyInLCSSA for the current loop, and later probably can also check other properties like LoopSimplify This way, the verification will be executed when all loop passes have finished working with a loop and before going to another loop. We can also schedule it in between some passes if we'd like to, and we can schedule it after all loop passes, placing it into a separate LPM instance. What do you think?<br class=""><br class="">For now I don't have a good idea on how to utilize PassManager to schedule such verifiers automatically though:-(<br class=""><br class="">- Michael<br class=""><br class="">PS: Did you mean to send it to the list? Chandler might have good ideas here.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Oct 13, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Igor Laevsky <<a href="mailto:igor@azulsystems.com" class="">igor@azulsystems.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Michael,<br class=""><br class="">In the <a href="https://reviews.llvm.org/D25364" class="">https://reviews.llvm.org/D25364</a> we were discussing possibility of verifying LCSSA only for the top-level loops. I started implementing this but process appears to be a bit tricky. Problem is that I can’t find a way to check that LPPassManager contains LCSSA pass without introducing circular dependency between TransformUtils and Analysis libraries. I have couple of solutions in mind but wanted to ask your opinion on those, maybe we will be able to arrive at better decision.<br class=""><br class="">1. I can introduce list of loops which LCSSAWrapperPass::verifyAnalysis needs to verify. It will be stored in the LoopInfo and populated in the LPPassManager main loop. After verification LCSSAWrapperPass will remove loop from this list.<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">2. There could be separate analysis “LCSSAVerification” on which LCSSA pass will depend. That way I will be able to recognise it inside LPPassManager and manually call verification of the current loop. Not sure how well our pass managers can handle such dependencies.<br class=""><br class="">None of those seem particularly appealing to me. What do you think? Is there any better way?<br class=""><br class="">Thanks,<br class="">Igor.</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>