<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Kostya Serebryany <<a href="mailto:kcc@google.com" class="">kcc@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Mehdi Amini<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mehdi.amini@apple.com" target="_blank" class="">mehdi.amini@apple.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;"><br class=""><div class=""><span class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Kostya Serebryany <<a href="mailto:kcc@google.com" target="_blank" class="">kcc@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3171738395714795683Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br class="m_-3171738395714795683Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Mehdi Amini<span class="m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mehdi.amini@apple.com" target="_blank" class="">mehdi.amini@apple.com</a>></span><span class="m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span><wbr class="">wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;"><br class=""><div class=""><span class="m_-3171738395714795683gmail-"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Kostya Serebryany <<a href="mailto:kcc@google.com" target="_blank" class="">kcc@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3171738395714795683gmail-m_-651008630571810729Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Mehdi Amini<span class="m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mehdi.amini@apple.com" target="_blank" class="">mehdi.amini@apple.com</a>></span><span class="m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span><wbr class="">wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;"><br class=""><div class=""><span class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Kostya Serebryany via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-3171738395714795683gmail-m_-651008630571810729m_6798234943043160321Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Exciting! <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><span class="">(btw, I'd prefer </span><font class=""><a href="mailto:libfuzzer@googlegroups.com" target="_blank" class="">libfuzzer@googlegroups.<wbr class="">com</a><span class="m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span>for such discussions, please start new topics there)</font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">You mean a LLVM library has a separate mailing-list? Why?</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Because the topic is very separate. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">Can you clarify?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I thought is was about the development/debug/evolution/us<wbr class="">ability of <a href="http://llvm.org/svn/llvm-project/llvm/trunk/lib/Fuzzer/" target="_blank" class="">http://llvm.org/svn/llvm-pr<wbr class="">oject/llvm/trunk/lib/Fuzzer/</a></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, and this topic is substantially different from most other topics discussed on llvm-dev. </div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">How so? If discussion on the development of a LLVM sub-library does not belong to llvm-dev, I wonder if the library belong to LLVM in the first place (add to this that libFuzzer does not use anything else in LLVM…).</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are users of libFuzzer that don't know much about LLVM and don't need/want to.</div><div class="">They may want to subscribe to a mailing list that talks precisely about the topic they want.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Right, so basically libFuzzer should not be in the LLVM repo.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>Note that we’re talking here about the internals and the development of the library, not really about “how to use it", for instance we have a mailing list for people not interested in the development of clang: <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cfe-users" class="">http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cfe-users</a> (i.e. users).</div><div><br class=""></div><div>— </div><div>Mehdi</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(I will clearly happy to answer any user on this, or any other maliing list, if I see such message. </div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div class=""><span class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div class="">We also have separate maliing lists for asan/tsan/msan</div></div></div></blockquote><div class="">Is it for more anything else than historical reasons? <br class=""></div></span></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Not only. there are asan/tsan users that don't use nor depend on LLVM. (not true for msan though)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please stop discussing this topic here -- we already hijacked the thread from Jonas. </div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Well, no, you killed this thread by saying that it should be continued on a different mailing list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">— </div><div class="">Mehdi</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="">If you have further concerns, please start a new thread. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">--kcc </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div class=""><span class=""><div class=""></div></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">— </div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class="">Mehdi</div></font></span></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">LLVM Developers mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>