<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Mehdi Amini <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mehdi.amini@apple.com" target="_blank">mehdi.amini@apple.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class="gmail-"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Kostya Serebryany <<a href="mailto:kcc@google.com" target="_blank">kcc@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917Apple-interchange-newline"><div><br class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917Apple-interchange-newline"><br style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Mehdi Amini<span class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mehdi.amini@apple.com" target="_blank">mehdi.amini@apple.com</a>></span><span class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917Apple-converted-space"> </span><wbr>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Kostya Serebryany <<a href="mailto:kcc@google.com" target="_blank">kcc@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683Apple-interchange-newline"><div><br class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683Apple-interchange-newline"><br style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Mehdi Amini<span class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mehdi.amini@apple.com" target="_blank">mehdi.amini@apple.com</a>></span><span class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span><wbr>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683gmail-"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Kostya Serebryany <<a href="mailto:kcc@google.com" target="_blank">kcc@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683gmail-m_-651008630571810729Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Mehdi Amini<span class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mehdi.amini@apple.com" target="_blank">mehdi.amini@apple.com</a>></span><span class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span><wbr>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Kostya Serebryany via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683gmail-m_-651008630571810729m_6798234943043160321Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr">Exciting! <div><br></div><div><div><span>(btw, I'd prefer </span><font><a href="mailto:libfuzzer@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">libfuzzer@googlegroups.<wbr>com</a><span class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917m_-3171738395714795683Apple-converted-space"> </span>for such discussions, please start new topics there)</font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>You mean a LLVM library has a separate mailing-list? Why?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Because the topic is very separate. </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Can you clarify?</div><div><br></div><div>I thought is was about the development/debug/evolution/us<wbr>ability of <a href="http://llvm.org/svn/llvm-project/llvm/trunk/lib/Fuzzer/" target="_blank">http://llvm.org/svn/llvm-pr<wbr>oject/llvm/trunk/lib/Fuzzer/</a></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, and this topic is substantially different from most other topics discussed on llvm-dev. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>How so? If discussion on the development of a LLVM sub-library does not belong to llvm-dev, I wonder if the library belong to LLVM in the first place (add to this that libFuzzer does not use anything else in LLVM…).</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There are users of libFuzzer that don't know much about LLVM and don't need/want to.</div><div>They may want to subscribe to a mailing list that talks precisely about the topic they want.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Right, so basically libFuzzer should not be in the LLVM repo.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>For libFuzzer *development* having it in LLVM tree makes lots of sense because</div><div> * libFuzzer is closely tied to the sanitizer coverage currently available only in LLVM</div><div> * The LLVM testing infrastructure (lit+FileCheck) is very convenient.</div><div>But If there is a consensus that libFuzzer does not belong to the LLVM tree I can delete it from here, no problem. <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span class="gmail-"><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><br></div><div>(I will clearly happy to answer any user on this, or any other maliing list, if I see such message. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div>We also have separate maliing lists for asan/tsan/msan</div></div></div></blockquote><div>Is it for more anything else than historical reasons? <br></div></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not only. there are asan/tsan users that don't use nor depend on LLVM.  (not true for msan though)</div><div><br></div><div>Please stop discussing this topic here -- we already hijacked the thread from Jonas. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>Well, no, you killed this thread by saying that it should be continued on a different mailing list.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, please re-read what I've said. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br></div><div>— </div><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Mehdi</div></font></span><span class="gmail-"><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div>If you have further concerns, please start a new thread. </div><div><br></div><div>--kcc </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span><div></div></span></div><div><br></div><div>— </div><span class="gmail-m_8858874851562595917HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Mehdi</div></font></span></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></span></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>