<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 27, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Krzysztof Parzyszek via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">On 7/27/2016 12:17 PM, Chris Bieneman wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">This is a really bad argument for large influential changes like this.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Quite the contrary---anybody can participate and anybody can express their concerns, explain their goals, their workflow, etc. For a large influential changes like this, "zoning out" is a poor choice of action.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Agree. </div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I suspect this is why the idea of having a survey or vote has received significant support.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I haven't seen any support for voting or for a survey. Both are strictly worse, as neither provides an interactive forum where the final decision is built, instead of selected.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I agree with all your points but the support for a survey: I think it was always part of the original plan, i.e. discuss the most common workflows on the mailing list, elaborate one or multiple model that can have enough traction, and then go with a survey to have a picture of how it would impact the community.</div><div>Ultimately a survey is not really a vote, I don’t know how we would take the final decision on this though.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>See Tanya’s contribution here: <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2016-June/100512.html" class="">http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2016-June/100512.html</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div>About voting per-se, see this thread: <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-foundation/2016-June/000051.html" class="">http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-foundation/2016-June/000051.html</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>— </div><div>Mehdi</div><div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>