<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">This has also come up with llvm before: <a href="http://reviews.llvm.org/D11833" class="">http://reviews.llvm.org/D11833</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Matthias</div><div class=""><br class=""><div style=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 1, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Reid Kleckner via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">When we added the ABI breaking EpochTracker to DenseMap, we added a macro called LLVM_ENABLE_ABI_BREAKING_CHECKS, which is controlled by the CMake option LLVM_ABI_BREAKING_CHECKS. I think we should make all ABI-impacting uses of NDEBUG in headers use this macro instead.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don't know what the current behavior is, but I would like this macro to correlate with NDEBUG by default. People packaging LLVM as a library for redistribution can turn off the ABI breaking checks manually.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, this has come up before, although Alp was concerned with Clang, not LLVM:</div><div class=""><a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2013-November/067410.html" class="">http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2013-November/067410.html</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Philip Pfaffe via llvm-dev <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank" class="">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi everyone,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">we have several header files in which the NDEBUG macro is being used. In some of these, the NDEBUG macro changes the size, the interface, or the layout of a type. One example is AssertingVH, which turns into a flat, transparent Value* wrapper in Release build. Now everywhere you use these headers, the state of the NDEBUG flag must be the same, or else bad things could happen.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This turns out to be quite problematic for out-of-tree targets and projects, because it effectively forces them to use the same build type with which LLVM was compiled. Thus, a project maintainer needs to keep a Debug and a Release build of LLVM around, and is mostly barred from using binary distributions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If the community agrees that this is a problem, I'd like to discuss two possible solutions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Solution #1:</div><div class="">Don't use NDEBUG (or any similar or depending macro) inside public-facing header files. I think this is the cleanest solution, but it requires a great amount of discipline on the side of developers and reviewers to stick with this pattern, and it will probably have a performance impact (e.g., for AssertingVH).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Solution #2:</div><div class="">Replace NDEBUG with a custom flag (e.g. LLVM_NDEBUG), and have CMake take care of synchronizing the two. I.e. ensure that LLVM_NDEBUG is set iff NDEBUG is set. Introducing this is probably a lot more work, because it touches all subprojects.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What do you think?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">- Philip</div></div>
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