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<div>I update the diff to use IDFCalculator, it is indistinguishable in compile-time from the ad hoc approach (once I used it correctly).</div>
<div>You mentioned changing to handle the reverse graph correctly, if that is in truck I will update shortly</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Daniel Berlin <<a href="mailto:dberlin@dberlin.org">dberlin@dberlin.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, April 4, 2016 at 12:32 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>David Callahan <<a href="mailto:dcallahan@fb.com">dcallahan@fb.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Hal Finkel <<a href="mailto:hfinkel@anl.gov">hfinkel@anl.gov</a>>, Mehdi AMINI <<a href="mailto:mehdi.amini@apple.com">mehdi.amini@apple.com</a>>, LLVM Dev Mailing list <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [llvm-dev] RFC: New aggressive dead code elimination pass<br>
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<div>I may have not correctly used the IDFCalculator. I passed in the PostDominator tree and then changed the loop over successor blocks to also be able to iterate over predecessors. I did not see anything in the interface that would let that happen but perhaps
I don’t understand the API so I modified it to explicitly iterate over predecessors under a flag.</div>
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<div>Sigh.</div>
<div>Yes, we fixed it to take domtreebase, so it can take the postdomtree, but nobody modified it to change the calculation.</div>
<div>I'll fix this in a second.</div>
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<div> I don’t have comparisons but the problem I had was it would iterative over two much of the graph when we discovered a block was live.</div>
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<div>So, the calculation should only happen once, and IDFCalculator should only touch each block in the CFG a maximum of once, ever.</div>
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If it's doing more than that, it's broken for post-dom.</div>
<div>In the forwards, problem, i've never seen the *IDF* calculation to be noticeable, only the post-dom calculation.</div>
<div>This would not be completely surprising if it's broken, but it would definitely be broken :)<br>
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<div>We would need to limit the processing. Perhaps the LiveInBblocks vector could be used to filter. I will take a look and see if that allows an appropriate subgraph to be analyzed. The cost of building the post-dominator tree however was also noticible,
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<div>Yeah, the post-dom cost problem is a problem we have elsewhere, and we should just fix that in one of a myriad of ways.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Daniel Berlin <<a href="mailto:dberlin@dberlin.org" target="_blank">dberlin@dberlin.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, April 4, 2016 at 10:23 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>David Callahan <<a href="mailto:dcallahan@fb.com" target="_blank">dcallahan@fb.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Hal Finkel <<a href="mailto:hfinkel@anl.gov" target="_blank">hfinkel@anl.gov</a>>, Mehdi AMINI <<a href="mailto:mehdi.amini@apple.com" target="_blank">mehdi.amini@apple.com</a>>, LLVM Dev Mailing list <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [llvm-dev] RFC: New aggressive dead code elimination pass<br>
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<div>1. IDFCalculator already allows reverse graphs, and gets used for that, so what did you have to change? (this change was made in the past year, so i wonder if you were working on a branch or something).</div>
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<div>2. What are the actual numbers here in terms of calculation of IDF vs your method.<br>
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<div>IDF calculator is linear time (Well, depends on priority queue impl, but we could fix that too), so it should not be *that* bad.</div>
<div>We can make it calculate subgraphs like you do as well.</div>
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<div>While i think the way you compute CD for the subset is cool, it is a bunch of code, and probably hard for the vast majority of people to understand and debug :)</div>
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<div>So if we can make IDF (assuming postdom) within a few percent of what you are doing, we should just do it, IMHO.</div>
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<div>If not, well, it's the old "compile time cost vs actual runtime performance improvement vs any reduced maintenance burden/stuff we can make architecturally more sound" game.</div>
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<div>No I do not use Post-dominators. I tried building post-dominatirs and changing iterated dominance frontier to allow a reverse graph but I found it was significant more expensive than solving a custom data flow problem over the “may be dead” subset of the
CFG. I did separately rewrite the post-dominator code to fit the new pass manager but now there are no clients for it <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__reviews.llvm.org_D17114&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=lFyiPUrFdOHdaobP7i4hoA&m=TjhLe787EuDZv6Mmmq-6oKIeTmBGSqKpOi0Bd4C18Uk&s=DLqmvY_Iw3UrR0wZKmvHFSycRNNCEIOCFcq8QF6W104&e=" target="_blank">http://reviews.llvm.org/D17114</a></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>Daniel Berlin <<a href="mailto:dberlin@dberlin.org" target="_blank">dberlin@dberlin.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, March 25, 2016 at 4:05 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Hal Finkel <<a href="mailto:hfinkel@anl.gov" target="_blank">hfinkel@anl.gov</a>><span><br>
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<b>From: </b>"Mehdi Amini via llvm-dev" <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>><br>
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<div>Make most things update post-dominance info and preserve it.</div>
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<div>Our other alternative to not take up too much time seems to be invasive surgery on how BB successors/predecessors work so they are a constant time array. I say this because GCC recomputes post-dominators roughly 15-19 times per compilation, and can do
it about 3-5x faster than we can. All profiling i've done basically says all our time is spent trying to get at successors and predecessors in dominance/post-dominance respectively, which takes basically no time in gcc, because the edge lists are an array.</div>
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<div>(Note that if you look at generic dominance code, like <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.princeton.edu_-257Erwerneck_dominators_&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=lFyiPUrFdOHdaobP7i4hoA&m=09bq6lIe4oGqpw_lE_NAxpN_v13km9w1s-BagEV_Qb8&s=OUaq2P8-4iXMAqcItqLccu1gA856S_ElzN0I0tNjiFk&e=" target="_blank">http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~rwerneck/dominators/</a>,
it's much faster than what we do on the same graphs. This is true even though we use the same algorithms .....)</div>
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<div>Given it seems unlikely we are going to change the internal representation anytime soon (or at least i've not seen a proposal), updating post-dom seems the easier answer.</div>
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<div>Are we talking about the basic-blocks edges only? I'm not sure changing the IR for the BBs would be a lot more work than preserving dominance analysis everywhere, or I am totally underestimating one / overestimating the other?</div>
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<div>It also may change space characteristics for programs with lots of edges.</div>
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preserving post dom == a lot of thinking and a little typing<br>
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and, thus, while updating the analysis might be the *right* thing to do, it is probably not easier (especially once you factor in the time taken to fix bugs where we subtly get it wrong). Maybe in the long run, we should do both?<br>
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<div>If we try to keep constant time edge redirection, both are fairly complicated in terms of thinking :)</div>
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If so, my view is we should just bite the bullet and start threading post dominance through the compiler.
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:36:50 PM<br>
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> David Callahan via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> writes:<br>
> > Hi,<br>
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> > I have a new variant of Aggressive Dead Code Elimination that also<br>
> > removes dead branching. It is designed to minimize the cost of<br>
> > control-dependence analysis in the common case where almost the<br>
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> > program is live. It also can optionally remove dead but<br>
> > may-be-infinite loops.<br>
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> > When enabled for –O3 (replacing current ADCE pass) and removing<br>
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> > impact on SPEC2006 is in the noise but it impacts internal<br>
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> > suites 1-2% with a comparable increase in compile time. My<br>
> > expectation would be to enable –O3 only until we have some<br>
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> I'm not sure that there's much to discuss in the abstract - it's much<br>
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Does it use post-dominance information?<br>
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