Hi,<div>Has there been any update on this office-hour idea?</div><div>I'm just starting to get my feet wet with LLVM and this seems like an amazing potential resource for getting answers!</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Aditi Dixit<span></span></div><div>Would be a really helpful resource for beginners<br><br>On Wednesday 23 March 2016, Philip Reames via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 03/20/2016 12:20 PM, John Criswell
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<div dir="ltr">I work for one of those "top companies", but LLVM
is only one of the back-ends I'm working with so I have only
pretty narrow knowledge of it (but ok knowledge of compilers
in general, I hope).
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<div>I'm trying to post easy to understand answers to those
beginner questions when I have time (there was one
yesterday, about constant evaluating things like sqrt() in
the front end).</div>
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<div>One concern I have is that although these basic questions
often have no answers on the mailing list, any number of
people might well have replied to them privately, in an
effort to both be helpful to the questioner, and also to
"maintain the signal to noise ratio" of the mailing list.</div>
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When I reply to a question, I reply to the list. That ensures
that a) everyone knows if a question has been answered and b) it
allows others with a similar question to see the answer.<br>
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Same.<br>
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On a side note, I think our FAQ may need some updating; we've
gotten similar questions over the years which I should have added
to a FAQ but (to date) have not.<br>
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Wait, we have a FAQ? (Mostly joking, I know if it, just never seen
anyone reference it.)<br>
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Should we try to encourage folks to update the FAQ and reply with a
link rather than directly answering questions on llvm-dev? <br>
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<div>Of course I don't know if this is really happening or
not, but if it is then the wasted duplication of effort is
probably worse than a few extra messages on the list. Which
is why I copy the list as well.</div>
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<div>The "office hours" idea would definitely help with all
this, if beginners can in fact be encouraged to use it.</div>
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<div>I'd probably use it myself, as I'm a novice to many
aspects of LLVM.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:47 PM,
vivek pandya via llvm-dev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org');" target="_blank"></a><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org');" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>></span>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Note : I do not mean to compare
or criticize any organization. This is based on my
experience.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Dear Community,</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I have subscribed llvm-dev list
for last 6 months and I follow most of the thread when
it makes sense to me. I have observed that some times
some mails do not get any kind of response. Mostly
novice students and some one trying to use LLVM in the
research have many questions. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I respect all community members
and I understand that working for top companies or
colleges keep them very busy. So when I go on IRC same
things happens ( I keep my self up late night to sync
with timezone so I get many people to ask on IRC).</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> Personally if I stretch my
self and read some older mail chains, I am able to get
answers to my questions 80% of time, but some time I
just get stuck and some times to understand output and
"why it has happen so" a novice may require help from
you people.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I have just one suggestion that
is not particular to GSoC but it applies in general.
Actually Drupal.org uses this idea. See this <a href="https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours" target="_blank">https://www.drupal.org/core-office-hours</a></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Every Monday and Wednesday they
keep a session on IRC (just textual chat) dedicated
to novice student may be an hour long or so. To keep
main channel undisturbed we may have a separate
channel. (or <a href="http://slack.com" target="_blank">slack.com</a>
) The time chosen for both days are very different so
that they can cover may time zones. 2 or 3 experienced
community members attends this session and answers to
the each kind of questions from participant. This will
help students and researchers very much. Specially if
they are not able to progress by their own. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I have been benefited from this
on Drupal. LLVM is more complex code base than Drupal.
And I believe that your 60 minutes may save their
days.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Sincerely,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Vivek </div>
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