<div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">> </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">"The LLVM community has always worked to be a welcoming and respectful community, and we want to ensure that doesn't change as we grow larger and more diverse."</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">> </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Better word smithing of this would be very welcome!</span></div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div>I like it as presented. If we feel it needs to be more clear, something like </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">"The LLVM community has always strived to be welcoming and respectful to everyone; we'd like to ensure it stays this way even as we continue to grow and evolve,</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">" may be better. But</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">, I feel that the same message would be conveyed either way.</span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Philip Reames via llvm-dev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 10/14/2015 01:57 PM, Chandler
Carruth via llvm-dev wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:50 PM Rafael
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> - Is
this trying to change how the community behaves? I think the
resounding<br>
> answer is no, this is very much meant to formalize the
existing extremely<br>
> polite and respectful behavior that the LLVM community
has had for many<br>
> years.<br>
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This is crucial IMHO as I am very happy with the current
community.<br>
Can it be included in the code of conduct itself?</blockquote>
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<div>I don't think it makes sense for a document to say
directly that it isn't trying to change anything. Once it
exists, there is no change to speak of?</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It is not
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<div>Hrm, I'm not sure how to make it more clear. I think the
best way is to get the wording to align with the general
expectations of the community. Do you have specific things
that would help there? Here is my best idea:</div>
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<div>It already states "We want to ensure that the LLVM
community, while large and diverse, remains welcoming and
respectful to all participants." which is trying to get at
what you are saying Rafael with the "remains". But I could
imagine rewording it to make this more obvious like so:</div>
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<div>"The LLVM community has always worked to be a welcoming
and respectful community, and we want to ensure that doesn't
change as we grow larger and more diverse."</div>
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<div>Better word smithing of this would be very welcome!</div>
<div>-Chandler</div>
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Personally, I like both the spirit and wording of the proposed
change. <br>
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Philip<br>
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