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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2015 03:55 PM, Chandler
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:45 PM Philip Reames
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<div>2) Several folks have mentioned that they'd like to see
this less verbose. I disagree, but I do think that it
sometimes comes across as focusing too much on the
details. It might be good to summarize the general
principals, and then list for the more legalistic bits as
notes or footnotes. Make it clear that a list isn't the
*point*, but it does help to clarify.<br>
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<div>I feel like the first two paragraphs tried to do exactly
this. Is there same specific part that didn't work for you?</div>
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I was more going for the details section. Taking the "Be Welcoming"
section as an example. Suggested formatting:<br>
- *Be welcoming.* We strive to be a community that welcomes and
supports people of all backgrounds and identities. <br>
<blockquote>This includes, but is not limited to members of any
race, ethnicity, culture, national origin, colour, immigration
status, social and economic class, educational level, sex, sexual
orientation, gender identity and expression, age, size, family
status, political belief, religion, and mental and physical
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(i.e. indent the last sentence to separate key point from details.)<br>
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To be clear, this is a *really* minor point. Think nitpick in code
review, not a design objection. <br>
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<div>3) I really liked the suggestion down thread of
reframing "reporting" as "asking for moderation". I think
it needs to be clear that there can be consequences, but
focusing on resolving the situation at hand seems like a
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<div>There is a very important problem with calling this
moderation. That implies that the event has to *continue*
and also implies some levels of necessary on-going
interaction. For a broad range of the ways that these things
can go wrong, it is really important that the person who has
become uncomfortable be able to leave the situation and feel
safe. Moderation and mediation don't provide that kind of
safety for some, and I think we need to design this to be
supportive of the most challenging cases.</div>
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This is a completely reasonable point and definitely worth
considering.<br>
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Part of what I'm aiming for is to avoid having a report be
automatically a "big deal". I want people to be able to speak up
when they're at all uncomfortable without feeling like the only
mechanism available automatically has major consequences and should
be used only as a last resort. Other ways to do this, I'm entirely
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<div>Of course, when moderation or mediation are the
appropriate *responses* to a report, I would hope they are
used. Perhaps it would be helpful to add them to the list?
I'm imagining an added bullet point to the "Responses may
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<div>* Providing either moderation or mediation to ongoing
interactions (where appropriate and safe).</div>
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Seems reasonable. Minor word smithing suggestion:<br>
* Providing either moderation or mediation to ongoing interactions
(where appropriate, safe, and desired by both parties).<br>
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(This part would be fine as either a phabricator review comment or a
post commit suggestion for improvement.)<br>
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<div>Thoughts?</div>
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<div>-Chandler</div>
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