<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:20 PM James Y Knight <<a href="mailto:jyknight@google.com">jyknight@google.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">It's actually surprising to me that the emails from Phabricator and llvm's svn *DO* get through most of the time.<div><br></div><div>Both of these fabricate the "From" address to generate an email purportedly be from the author of the svn revision or phabricator comment's email address. While the message is hopefully from the real person behind that email address, those messages are decidedly NOT from that email account. It's not even in the arguably gray area which is mailing lists (forwarding -- with some modifications to subject and body -- an email really written from the "From" account). No, these messages are just fabricated whole-cloth without the knowledge of the sending domain's email system.</div><div><br></div><div>So, recipients which run DMARC checks will rightfully detect these emails as illegitimate, and might reject/quarentine/etc them.</div><div><br></div><div>(I've no idea if that's actually what's going on with Apple's servers, but an increasing number of domains are using dmarc checks at least as one input of "potentially-spam", if not to outright reject the messages. And it makes sense to do so: that the entire internet can historically write emails that purport to be from me isn't actually a good feature.)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Phabricator is using the "I'm an old school mailing list" trick which also all old school mailing lists use. They set the List-Id field. There was an attempt to break them, but that didn't go over so well. </div><div>Does the llvm mailing list support dmarc by now?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Adam Nemet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anemet@apple.com" target="_blank">anemet@apple.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">OK, for now I filed the ticket with a sample email that did reach me.  Please still let me know if you can dig up a bounced email.<div><div><br><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Adam Nemet <<a href="mailto:anemet@apple.com" target="_blank">anemet@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Do you have a bounced email, we can look at for clues?<div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:49 AM, Manuel Klimek <<a href="mailto:klimek@google.com" target="_blank">klimek@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Ok, apple addresses still bounce without a reason - the sendgrid folks say this is completely controlled by <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__apple.com_&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=CnzuN65ENJ1H9py9XLiRvC_UQz6u3oG6GUNn7_wosSM&m=Mqa_1g5UKNsbn0aQ0VKFPBirtuDLkBvBQ0yu679mx54&s=elG6EczxmfWncMZKv-yxppaOGn5OpDDaWLaUt3hLv9w&e=" target="_blank">apple.com</a>'s mail servers - do you have somebody you can ask?<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM Manuel Klimek <<a href="mailto:klimek@google.com" target="_blank">klimek@google.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I filed a ticket with sendgrid. Since we're paying them money nowadays, I hope they'll answer quickly<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:05 AM Manuel Klimek <<a href="mailto:klimek@google.com" target="_blank">klimek@google.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">aaaaaand you're on the bounce list again. I'm going to delete you again, but I'd be curious what the problem is...<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:50 PM Adam Nemet <<a href="mailto:anemet@apple.com" target="_blank">anemet@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 8, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Adam Nemet <<a href="mailto:anemet@apple.com" target="_blank">anemet@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>On Jul 8, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Manuel Klimek <<a href="mailto:klimek@google.com" target="_blank">klimek@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">You were in sendgrid's bounce list (there must have been at least one bounce from your email to the apple servers). Please let me know if other people had similar problems.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, lovely :(.  Thanks for the quick fix.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>… just to confirm.  I got my first email from Phab.  Thanks again.</div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br></div><div>Adam</div></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:11 PM Adam Nemet <<a href="mailto:anemet@apple.com" target="_blank">anemet@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Hi Manuel,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the update it has some nice new features.  There is one issue I am seeing since the update though.  I am the reviewer on <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__reviews.llvm.org_D10386&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=Mfk2qtn1LTDThVkh6-oGglNfMADXfJdty4_bhmuhMHA&m=off40ffVn-cooharm4ZU3zg8h52va9Tu6rZ6_kvcGlQ&s=RN5zr9YsY6N9JCWdZsVghsr5QrI7432N_x20HINOetw&e=" target="_blank">http://reviews.llvm.org/D10386</a> but I didn’t get any email for the updates since my entry on July 1.  Do you know what’s going on?  We had some issues recently with Phab emails being delayed on Apple mail servers but these emails seems to have completely disappeared.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Adam</div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"></blockquote></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 2, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Manuel Klimek <<a href="mailto:klimek@google.com" target="_blank">klimek@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br></blockquote></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Greetings llvm'ers,<div><br></div><div>I'm working on an update to phabricator that brings our fork significantly closer to the upstream version, thus making maintenance much easier; this will allow us to upgrade more often.</div><div><br></div><div>Upstream has fixed many issues and introduced new ways to customize the email flow, so</div><div><br></div><div>a) while rolling out the new version I'll be fiddling with config settings; during that time, you might see emails that are not yet what we'll want the end-state to be; I'll announce on this thread once this is done</div><div><br></div><div>b) the new version gives people more control over the emails; that means, if you're a phab user, you might get some emails that the list doesn't get (if you wish to); you can configure that from phab's email settings</div><div><br></div><div>Once this is finished, please respond on this thread with your concerns / comments, or file bugs at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__llvm.org_bugs_enter-5Fbug.cgi-3Fproduct-3DWebsite&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=Mfk2qtn1LTDThVkh6-oGglNfMADXfJdty4_bhmuhMHA&m=GwQiNgcce55Y-XWCLRie0Je5Va0syrg0At7yCDT2vAc&s=QCpvfTDl5b01KKe2jPNduOCZwh_aJYBxo11o94zSB8A&e=" target="_blank">https://llvm.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Website</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>/Manuel</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>_______________________________________________<br>LLVM Developers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:LLVMdev@cs.uiuc.edu" target="_blank">LLVMdev@cs.uiuc.edu</a><span> </span>        <a href="http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu/" target="_blank">http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu</a><br><a href="http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev" target="_blank">http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev</a><br></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align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