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<div class="">On Mar 10, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Vassil Vassilev
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 09/03/15 21:52,
Anna Zaks wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">+Easily, some of the code snippets end up
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<div class="">The project description stresses code
maintainability and logical design more than bug finding
due to omissions in copy and pasted code. Reading this
made me think of a check that would suggest people to
replace copy and pasted code with a function call or
something like that... Examples do stress the specific
bugs that could be found, which is what I had in mind:</div>
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<div class="">+ Copy-paste infrastructure could be
used to build other "goodies". Some</div>
<div class="">+examples and possible applications are:</div>
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<div class="">Is this intentional? If not, maybe we could
rephrase a bit with more emphasis on bug finding. I
would also make it a requirement to use the
infrastructure for bug detection.</div>
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I wanted to have the project description as broad as
possible so that interested students to specialized in a
direction, in which they are most comfortable. Because IMO
the project is bigger than 1 usual GSoC project.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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make it more focused towards bugs. Could you elaborate on
the "I would also make it a requirement to use the
infrastructure for bug detection.", please?</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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<div class="">I would prefer not to have pure infrastructure, but rather
develop infrastructure along with uses of it. Bug finding is
one such use. That would allow to set clear goals for the
students and allow for better qualification of the
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I see your point and I agree. I really want the proposal up soon.
Can we discuss that in IRC, I think it would be easier for me? My
nickname is vvassilev. <br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I am not going to be online in the next couple of hours. I would just rewrite this a bit to make it clear that we expect some useful features being developed along with the copy and paste detection with bug finding as an example. Writing those features would be part of the project. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If a student is interested in a feature other than bug finding, I’d expect them to specify what that is when they apply. (As far as I recall, the students also write proposals. I am not sure what is the workflow when they reply to our proposal.)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think the proposal is generally good. I’d just emphasize feature driven development in the goals.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anna. </div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">
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<div class="">(However, I see your point about making it open to students
that are interested in using this infrastructure for other
projects.)</div>
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<div class="">Thanks for driving this!</div>
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<div class="">On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:54 AM, Vassil
Vassilev <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vvasilev@cern.ch" class="">vvasilev@cern.ch</a>>
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Anton Korobeynikov wrote:</span><br class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Vassil Vassilev
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On 17/02/15
09:47, Anton Korobeynikov wrote:<br class="">
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Yes, I'm taking care about application as
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I saw the the LLVM mentoring org was accepted.
Congrats!<br class="">
Anton, could you tell me what is the procedure
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Many thanks,<br class="">
Vassil<br class="">
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2015, 5:14 PM John Criswell
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">Dear All,<br class="">
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Has someone registered LLVM as an
organization for Google Summer of Code<br class="">
2015? I'm interested in mentoring a GSoC
student this summer.<br class="">
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-- John T.<br class="">
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John Criswell<br class="">
Assistant Professor<br class="">
Department of Computer Science, University
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