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                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/07/2015 11:52
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                            <div class="">On Jan 7, 2015, at 2:25 PM,
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                                <div class="">I'm not aware of any such
                                  restriction, and I know of several
                                  LLVM based systems that use address
                                  space 1 for something other than that.<br
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                          <div class="">Yes, this would be a problem for
                            us. We use 1 for a normal address space
                            where 0 is invalid. However, we also have a
                            problem where some other address spaces do
                            want 0 to be a valid address, which just
                            sort of don’t work correctly now.</div>
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                      If you have an example with a null in a non-0
                      address space being mishandled, please file a
                      bug.  We'll fix them as we find them.  <br
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                <div class="">I think the problems aren’t so much that
                  accessing 0 doesn’t work (although I imagine there are
                  problems with that), but expectations of comparison
                  with null. The main problem I’m aware of is
                  comparisons with null pointers. The first global
                  object in addrspace(3) will have the address of 0, so
                  if a user does if (x != NULL), it will not behave as
                  expected. For C I think this is supposed to be fixed
                  by changing the value of NULL to -1, but I don’t think
                  that is currently supported. That is also complicated
                  because the null value is different for different
                  address spaces, and I think the actual null pointer
                  value must be 0 for C++. It doesn’t really turn up
                  often in real code so I don’t think anybody has really
                  spent time thinking about how to properly solve this.</div>
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      <div>In the link I gave, I proposed using global metadata to
        describe address spaces.  Its useful, for example, to know that
        an address space is always to constant memory, i.e., the CL
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      <div>I think later in the conversation we also thought about
        defining the relationships between address spaces in a similar
        method to tbaa on types.  Then you could do address space AA.</div>
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    I'm a bit hesitant* to do this with metadata.  At least to start
    with, these seem like backend specific properties.  Why not
    introduce some hooks into Target or Subtarget with the appropriate
    queries?<br>
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    * Reasons for hesitancy:<br>
    - Not sure these are purely optimizations - is dropping always
    legal?<br>
    - How do we merge such things in LTO?  <br>
    - Forward serialization?  It might be better to define the
    properties better than design a reasonable scheme.<br>
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                                      has a special meaning in LLVM,
                                      it's identical to address space 0
                                      except for the fact that "null"
                                      may be dereferenced. You might
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                                      This is the first I've heard of
                                      this and I can't find any
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