<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Bob Wilson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob.wilson@apple.com" target="_blank">bob.wilson@apple.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Nov 19, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Chandler Carruth <<a href="mailto:chandlerc@google.com" target="_blank">chandlerc@google.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">So I am deeply concerned about the direction this is taking. I'm trying to catch up on the thread, but I think Chris already highlighted my issue:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Chris Bieneman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbieneman@apple.com" target="_blank">cbieneman@apple.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">1. How do we make sure we continue to be able to use the command line options we've been using for llc and other tools?</blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>In discussions about the new cl::opt API I believe the general idea was that most of the options expressed using cl::opt are actually only relevant as debug options, so I think one big part of this work is really going to be identifying a subset of the current options which are actually relevant to expose in the IR.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think this is critical.</div><div><br></div><div>The whole idea of cl::opt API is for *debugging* options. IE, not supported, expected variations on how passes behave. Those should always be controlled (at the LLVM API layer) through constructors and parameters, not through a side-layer.</div><div><br></div><div>There are parts of LLVM currently abusing the cl::opt mechanism to control fundamental functionality, but we should *absolutely* not bake any part of that or support for that into the IR! We should go find and fix those places to use reasonable APIs. Once we have that, I am very supportive of getting a good system for transmitting these options in bitcode and such in order to better support LTO. However, I think that in essentially every case there are going to be two options:</div><div><br></div><div>1) Turn these options into function attributes because they can reasonably live as function attributes and different variations can co-exist within a module.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>I have heard several people express strong opinions that even when those options are represented as function attributes, we will want a mechanism to override those with llc command line options for experimentation and debugging. If so, they will still need to exist as cl::opt (or some other equivalent). Are you suggesting otherwise?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes and no.</div><div><br></div><div>You might have a debug override option using cl::opt (or whatever we replace it with).</div><div><br></div><div>Or you might have an LLC option (which might be implemented with cl::opt but is categorically different from the debugging options in common LLVM libraries) that explicitly constructs passes with options, and the passes might skip the function attribute when given a specific override.</div><div><br></div><div>Probably lots of other alternative ways of achieving this goal I haven't thought of really....</div><div><br></div><div>My point is that regardless of what technique you use to override options, the things that can be serialized through the IR should *not* include debugging only 'cl::opt' options in the common LLVM libraries.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><span class=""><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>2) Keep the options as module-level options, but insist that they match for all modules being merged in LTO.</div><div><br></div><div>3) (very rare) have clean, well specified merge semantics to merge different options from different modules in LTO. I think these only come up quite rarely. The only really good example I know of would be something like "library link dependencies" where it is a list that we clearly just take the union to merge.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">3. Where should the command line options or module/function attributes be stored once they are read out from the IR?<br></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>My suggestion would be the OptionStore that I proposed here: <a href="http://reviews.llvm.org/D6207" target="_blank">http://reviews.llvm.org/D6207</a></div><div></div></blockquote></div><br>Not to knock the option store (i quite like it), but I think that should be reserved for the cl::opt-style (but with your new API which is way better) debugging options, and never touch the IR.</div></div></span><span class="">
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