<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:26 AM, Alexey Samsonov <<a href="mailto:vonosmas@gmail.com" class="">vonosmas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Frédéric Riss<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:friss@apple.com" target="_blank" class="">friss@apple.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br class=""><br class="">[ I Cc'd lld people and debug info people. Apologies if I omitted some stakeholder. ]<br class=""><br class="">As stated in the subject, I’d like to start working on an in-tree reimplementation of Darwin’s dsymutil utility. This is an initial step on the path to having lld handle the debug information itself.<br class=""><br class="">For those who are not familiar with the debug flow on MacOS, dsymutil is a DWARF linker. Darwin’s linker (ld64) doesn’t link the DWARF debug info found in the object files, instead it writes a “debug-map” in the linked binary. This debug-map describes what objects were linked together and what atoms of each object file are present in the binary along with their addresses. The debug-map has two uses:<br class="">1) During the build->debug cycle, lldb reads the debug-map and uses it to find the .o files and extract the relevant dwarf debug info.<br class="">2) For Release builds, dsymutil reads the debug-map then loads, merges, and optimizes all the dwarf debug info and writes it as as a .dSYM<br class=""><br class="">The long term goal is that dwarf linking functionality be available as a library for LLVM tools. Eventually, we’d like lld to be able to make use of the dwarf linking library and not need a stand along dsymutil tool. The first step is to use the dwarf linking library in a stand along dsymutil replacement tool. We want this tool to be bit-for-bit compatible with the existing Darwin dsymutil.<br class=""><br class="">The main reason we want to take the first step of a separate tool is testability. The code committed to the LLVM repository will feature unit tests, but they won’t offer the coverage that a real world usage would. I plan to run the new tool through big internal validation campaigns during which the llvm powered dsymutil output would be compared to the system’s dsymutil one. This is also the reason we aim for bit-for-bit compatibility.<br class=""><br class="">The current plan is to host the code in the llvm repository. dsymutil will make heavy use of libDebugInfo and won’t share anything with the lld codebase (The underlying concepts are just too different). It’s also not clear yet where most of the implementation logic will end up. I expect most of the core logic to be in tools/dsymutil, but some of it might be better folded directly into libDebugInfo.<br class=""><br class="">So how does it work? dsymutil doesn’t simply paste the debug sections together while applying relocations to them. This wouldn’t work for ld64 as it is able (like lld) to split the sections apart and discard/reorder the contents. Thus dsymutil needs some semantic knowledge of the DWARF contents to be able to “patch” the relocatable debug info with accurate values. It is also able to remove parts of the DIE tree that aren’t needed or to unique types across the compilation unit boundaries. In libDebugInfo, we have the needed tooling to read the debug info, but we currently lack the ability to write it back to disk. Maybe what’s in lib/CodeGen/AsmPrinter to emit the debug info would fit the bill, but I won't be sure until I try to write the code. I’ll see along the way if libDebugInfo should grow it’s own Dwarf streaming capabilities. Opinions welcome.<br class=""><br class="">Although the implementation of the dsymutil command line tool will be fairly Darwin specific (it accepts mach-o files as input and emits a dSYM bundle), most of the implementation will be format agnostic. I’ll make an effort to split the mach-o specific parts into their own files so that this code can be reused in a generic way. Would there be interest in that kind of code for other platforms also? What’s the story of lld Dwarf support for ELF?<br class=""><br class="">I plan on sending the initial code (that does basically only parse the debug map of mach-o files) out for review in the coming days if there are no objections to the general principle.<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sounds reasonable to me. It would be nice to have dsymutil implemented as an LLVM tool, update is as needed as we change the debug info emitted by the compiler, ensure that it understands and</div><div class="">behaves well with reduced -gline-tables-only debug info, etc.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Yes, once the tool is complete, this will be the first benefit we get from having it in tree.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="">It also sounds like you'd have to extend libDebugInfo with DWARF emission capabilities, that is, reuse part of the code currently stored in AsmPrinter. Note that currently LLVM backend tools (and Clang) doesn't depend on libDebugInfo, and it's probably a right thing - they don't need to read/analyze DWARF or symbolize addresses. I wonder if we'd have to change the library layout - have some generic library that would describe DWARF entities (something more powerful than a bunch of enums declared in Support/Dwarf.h), and make current AsmPrinter and DebugInfo its two specialized users. In this way, Clang can only contain the former, llvm-dwarfdump and llvm-symbolizer can only contain the latter, and DWARF transformation tools (be it linker, or dsymutil) can contain both.</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I’m open to opinions about this, but I also think we need to see the code to make an educated decision. My current plan is to try to reuse what’s in AsmPrinter first. I’ll then see if the abstraction’s overhead isn’t too high (the streaming use of dsymutil is fairly different from the compiler debug info emission use). All that’s needed if that works out is a bridge between llvm::DWARFDebugInfoEntryMinimal and llvm::DIE. I can host the bridge in the tool directory for a start and then once we know this works, we can decide to restructure the libraries to integrate it as some kind of common abstraction.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Fred</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><br class="">Fred<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">LLVM Developers mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:LLVMdev@cs.uiuc.edu" class="">LLVMdev@cs.uiuc.edu</a> <a href="http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu/" target="_blank" class="">http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu</a><br class=""><a href="http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev" target="_blank" class="">http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev</a><br class=""></blockquote></div><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br clear="all" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="gmail_signature" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr" class="">Alexey Samsonov<br class=""><a href="mailto:vonosmas@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">vonosmas@gmail.com</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>