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    Either you're being disingenuous are truly looking to confuse a
    situation only someone ignorant of what LLVM could ever misconstrue.<br>
    <br>
    Why  would Apple dump hundreds of millions in R&D with
    Clang/LLVM, create Swift and introduce it to everyone and the press
    for WWDC 2014, followed up by posting on the LLVM list only to be
    moving away from LLVM?<br>
    <br>
    More importantly, who appointed you e-mail monitor on what is or is
    not appropriate dialogues to have for a project that clearly several
    corporate members have an enormous stake in building, especially
    Apple?<br>
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    - Marc<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/11/2014 08:03 AM, Chandler
      Carruth wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:59 PM, John
            Criswell <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:criswell@illinois.edu" target="_blank">criswell@illinois.edu</a>></span>
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              <div>Dear All,<br>
                <br>
                Historically, we *have* permitted job announcements for
                jobs that require or desire expertise with LLVM or one
                of it's sub-projects.  To the best of my knowledge,
                we've never required that the position announcement
                state that the job will contribute directly to the LLVM
                project (or its sub-projects) or that the code created
                by the position be open source.<br>
                <br>
                As an example, please see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2014-May/072938.html"
                  target="_blank">http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2014-May/072938.html</a>
                and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2010-August/033695.html"
                  target="_blank">http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2010-August/033695.html</a>.<br>
                <br>
                Using this criteria, I believe that Ted's post is
                on-topic (although I agree that it should have stated
                the connection with LLVM more prominently).</div>
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          The connection or relevance of LLVM experience really isn't
          clear... "<span
            style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Familiarity
            with LLVM or Clang a plus, but not required." makes it seem
            like it is not terribly relevant, which was the source of my
            concern.</span></div>
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    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
      Marc J. Driftmeyer<br>
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