<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Manman Ren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:manman.ren@gmail.com" target="_blank">manman.ren@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:59 PM, David Blaikie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dblaikie@gmail.com" target="_blank">dblaikie@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><div>In beginModule, we construct the CUs, but not all the DIEs that belong to the CU.</div><div>In endFunction, we started to construct the scope DIEs. So in some sense, we are adding things to prior CUs.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Looking at void CompileUnit::addDIEEntry(DIE *Die, uint16_t Attribute, DIE *Entry), we can possibly have 3 CUs, this CU,</div><div>the CU Die belongs to (i.e. the CU the parent chain points to), the CU Entry belongs to. </div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>When does "this CU" differ from both the Die and the Entry?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>The signature of addDIEEntry didn't say that "this CU" should be the same as either Die's CU or Entry's CU.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>No, but the code prior to your patch that's the only really sane thing for it to do, right? Why would one CompileUnit be dealing with some other CU's DIEs?<br>
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<div>If you think it should not happen, we should put a comment in so other developers will not violate it.</div><div>But that is irrelevant if we are going to make a single assumption:</div><div> "in addDIEEntry, if a DIE is without a parent, it belongs to the CU we call addDIEEntry on".<br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I'm not entirely sure that will be true. In the case of implicit special members, such as the copy ctor, what could happen is that a later CU might want to add a member function to an earlier CU. That member function DIE will be being constructed from within the latter CompileUnit, but its parent will be the former CU. Walking the parent chain will find the correct (older CU) because we build the context for a member function and attach the member function to that context before we build any of its parameters, template arguments, etc.</div>
<div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>Exactly, so it is possible that a later CU can construct a DIE that belongs to another CU.</div><div> </div><div>I was rephrasing the statement in your earlier email and trying to be sure what assumption we are going to make.</div>
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<div> <span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">The claim Eric and I are making/discussed is that we should assume any DIE without a parent is in the current CU and/or that it possibly should never come up (I haven't thought through the codepaths carefully here - if we add CUs to their parent before creating their members, I think it should never come up).</span></div>
<div><br></div></div><div>I know that the assumption may not be true with the current code base, but we need to either</div><div>1> keep the worklist or</div><div>2> remove the worklist and modify the code base to make the assumption true, right?</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm OK assuming it to be true until we show it to not be true and treating those cases as bugs and fixing them on an as-found basis.<br><br>I'm not OK adding the worklist without knowing and testing the cases it addresses.</div>
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<div><br></div><div>If we are going to make the assumption true, any suggestion on how to fix the above cases? </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't know if the above cases are problems. Have you written and verified any of the test cases I've described?</div>
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<div>In your above example, if a later CU wants to add a member function to an earlier CU, we find the earlier CU in DwarfDebug by going through the context chain of the member function, and then call getOrCreate on the earlier CU.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So we can try to make the statement "a CU only constructs a DIE that belongs to the CU", </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't believe so - not based on your current implementation. We'd need to think more carefully about mismatches between type definitions (implicit special members, member template specializations, nested classes - these three things can create differences between definitions) and resolving the metadata so those mismatches don't exist.<br>
<br>That means when we merge the tables of type metadata string identifier to MDNode from each CU is that we may need to modify the type metadata nodes to merge the child lists from all those CUs. If we did that, perhaps we wouldn't have to retroactively add any DIEs to previous CUs, in which case your statement might become true.<br>
<br>For now, it isn't, so far as I can tell. (again, I'm giving you some pointers about how I believe some of these things work, but my intention is that these should give you ideas about what you need to test, ways you might be able to find worklist cases, etc - this testing needs to be done to understand how your patch will interact with these systems)</div>
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</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If we do one-CU-at-a-time emission we're not going to be able to make debug info as compact as we can with your current change, not without more work, at least.<br><br>
Taking the implicit special member example, CU1 would have the definition of some type 'foo' and its normal members. CU2 has a declaration of 'foo' (or perhaps another definition, depending on whether it's a polymorphic type, etc) and the implicit special member definition (such as the copy ctor). When we do the right type referencing and uniquing at the metadata level what's going to happen (I think) is we'll have one definition of 'foo', but its list of members will be that of the definition (what happens if we have more than one definition and they differ because they have different lists of members? I guess we'll produce two definitions of 'foo', one in each CU that has the definitions because they'll be different metadata nodes). Since we didn't merge the member lists of the two definitions/declarations of 'foo', the child list will be incomplete, but the context links in the members will all point to the definition - magic.<br>
<br>So when we visit the first definition, we'll build some of the members, but we won't add the other members until we're emitting the other CU (I hope?). If we've already emitted the previous CU we can't go and add new members to its elements - they're already written to disk and we've thrown out the DIEs (we'd probably just record a collection section offsets for specific DIEs).</div>
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<div>then every DIE will be constructed by a CU and belong to the same CU. When we are done emitting one CU, we can release all DIEs belonging to the CU (maybe keep a minimal DIE if it is cross-CU referenced).</div><div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>When Die or CU does not have an owner, what assumption should we make</div>
<div>to decide between ref_addr and ref4 inside addDIEEntry?</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>The claim Eric and I are making/discussed is that we should assume any DIE without a parent is in the current CU and/or that it possibly should never come up (I haven't thought through the codepaths carefully here - if we add CUs to their parent before creating their members, I think it should never come up).</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Does "current CU" mean the CU we are calling addDIEEntry on?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Yes, I think that's a reasonable interpretation.</div>
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<div>If we assume that if Die or Entry does not have an owner, it should belong to this CU, it means:<br>
</div><div>1> Die or Entry should be constructed by this CU.</div>
2> DIEs that are constructed by CU A should belong to CU A.</div><div class="gmail_quote">3> About DIEs that are constructed directly in DwarfDebug, they should be added to a CU before calling addDIEEntry.</div><div class="gmail_quote">
<div> Another option is to wrap all DIE constructions in a CU, which sounds reasonable for emit-a-CU-at-a-time.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I'm not really sure what you mean by "wrap all DIE constructions in a CU". Even with your change the DIEs are constructed by CUs and just added to the appropriate cache (either CU-local, or cross-CU), they're never constructed outside of a CU, are they?</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>I am referring to the "new DIE" in DwarfDebug.cpp, and saying that we should instead call getOrCreate function on a CU.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
</div><div>Perhaps I'll need to go back and check your patch, but generally, I tend to think we should be calling into a CU to build anything ratehr than doing it 'raw' in DwarfDebug.cpp.</div></div></div></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>It is not related to my patch, we are directly constructing DIEs in DwarfDebug in the current code base.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Manman</div><div><div class="h5">
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<div>How much effort is required to make sure these assumptions are true? We also should have the corresponding assertions to make sure the assumptions are not violated.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Personally, I'm OK saying "this is the intended design, anything else is a bug" and leaving it at that. If we want to add in the necessary infrastructure to assert this is the case, I'm OK with that too.<br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Okay, let's go with the assumption that "in addDIEEntry, if a DIE is without a parent, it belongs to the CU we can addDIEEntry on".</div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><div>To implement the assertions, we need to keep a list of all DIEs that are constructed by a CU.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>It shouldn't be hard - we'd add a map of assumptions "we found this DIE without a parent and assumed it was in this CU" then whenever we add a DIE to a parent we would check that map and remove the entry (assert-fail if there was a mismatch between assumption and reality).</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Yes that will verify the single assumption. So in addDIEEntry, if a DIE (either Die or Entry) has no parent, add it to a map, and in DIE::addChild, verify the assumption is true and remove it from the map.</div>
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<div>With the ConstructedDIEs, we can verify 1> in addDIEEntry, 2> in finalize 3> by wrapping all DIE constructions in a CU.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am wondering whether we should make the type uniquing patches depend on the invariants/assumptions.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>If the alternative is introducing defensive and unjustified/untested complexity, yes - we must. We cannot tolerate introducing unjustified complexity into the codebase - it's the only way we can strive to move the code in a maintainable direction (I contend that it's not maintainable at the moment and it isn't because of changes like this - adding more is untenable, removing them is admirable, but hard and something we'll be working on for a long time to come).</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I agree that the backend is not that clean and we should try to clean it up. But that single assumption seems not really generic. Instead I think "DIEs that are constructed by CU A should belong to CU A" is more generic and it may help us in emit-one-CU-at-a-time.</div>
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<div>The CU constructing a DIE will add the DIE to the context owner, which may not belong to the CU itself.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>That's the question, isn't it? When is it ever /not/ the current CU under construction?</div><div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>In the case that a DIE is added to an owner in DwarfDebug, I don't think we should try to enforce that DwarfDebug will add the DIE to the CU that constructed the DIE earlier.</div></div></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div></div><div>My claim is that this is already an invariant. That the code you are adding is never needed and thus is additional, unjustified/unused complexity that comes at a cost to all future developers/development. This codebase needs /much/ less of this than it already has, let alone adding more of it. Though I wouldn't mind an assertion, I suspect it'll be more code than is really worth it to keep track of this information/state.<br>
<br>I think if we more to CU-at-a-time DWARF emission it'll be more obvious that this invariant is true and cannot be violated.</div><div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> If we can demonstrate a case where this isn't true, then we should work to address that problem - until we demonstrate that, we should not (though we might want to search for such cases - but without type units I can't imagine how they could occur - we build the DIE tree for one CU at a time, at no point do we have DIEs under construction for multiple CUs).<br>
<br>So if we want to build a reference to a DIE, if the DIE is not in another CU we should use ref4. (then the only other case is that it's either in this CU or it's in no known CU at all - in which case it's under construction and, without evidence to the contrary, will be added to the current CU when it's done).<br>
<br>About the only assertion we could add would involve keeping a side-table of "assumptions" ("we expect this DIE will be added to this CU") and check that those assumptions are fulfilled at some point.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>In my opinion, if we can't verify the assumption with a reasonable amount of effort, then we should not make the assumption.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>
</div><div>This leads to unbounded, unjustified complexity that makes the codebase impossible to maintain. It just cannot be an acceptable method of development.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br>- David</font></span></div>
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<div>For that case, we can't assume ref4 should be used. I don't think we can enforce that all DIEs must be added to a parent before calling addDIEEntry.</div>
<div><br></div><div>For the specific testing case, when constructing children of a scope DIE, we call addDIEEntry on the children, after that, we add the children to the scope DIE.</div><div><div>cat foo.cpp </div><div><br>
</div><div>#include "a.hpp"</div><div>void f(int a) {</div><div> Base t;</div><div>}</div><div>cat bar.cpp </div><div><br></div><div>#include "a.hpp"</div><div>void f(int);</div><div>void g(int a) {</div>
<div> Base t;</div><div>}</div><div>int main() {</div><div> f(0);</div><div> g(1);</div><div> return 0;</div><div>}</div><div>cat a.hpp </div><div>struct Base {</div><div> int a;</div><div>};</div></div><div><br></div>
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<div><br></div><div>Let me know which one you prefer.</div><div><br></div><div>Do you have any comments on the ref_addr patch (the 1st patch of the two)?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Nothing much - I wouldn't mind Eric taking a look (& would rather you not commit this until you're committing the second patch, since it's otherwise untested/unjustified code) on the label/offset related stuff since I'm less familiar with that.<br>
<br>There's one or two cases of {} on single-statement blocks you could fix up.<br><br>"DebugInfoOffset" (both the member and the functions to set/get it) might be more meaningfully named "SectionOffset" - but I'm not sure. Eric? Other names (DebugInfoSectionOffset?)?<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>- David</font></span></div></div></div></div>
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