<div dir="ltr">On 2 October 2013 10:12, Steven Newbury <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@snewbury.org.uk" target="_blank">steve@snewbury.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">How does this make any sense?<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>I have to agree with you that this doesn't make much sense, but there is a case where you would want something like that: when the original source uses NEON intrinsics, and there is no alternative in AltiVec, AVX or even plain C.</div>
<div><br></div><div>We encourage people to use NEON intrinsics, as opposed to writing inline NEON assembly, when the compiler cannot vectorize your code properly. This may fix the current problem of under-performing forward-incompatible inline asm, and it does solve the portability issue across ARM sub-architectures (ex. v7 vs v8), but it doesn't help on portability across entirely different architectures. Since it's not easy to vectorize every code, and not desired to have special cases hard-coded in the vectorizer, I don't see another solution to this problem.</div>
</div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Before, you'd have assembly files with NEON specific code, another with AltiVec specific and so on, and now you'd have C files with each intrinsics, which is better. But, as you said yourself, the semantics of NEON instructions are not the same as other SIMD ISAs, so if you only have the NEON file and want to create an AltiVec version, you'll have to understand both pretty well.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Stanislav,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">If I got it right above, I think it would be better if you could do that transformation in IR, with a mapping infrastructure between each SIMD ISA. Something that could represent every possible SIMD instruction, and how each target represents them, so in one side you read the intrinsics (and possibly IR operations on vectors), translate to this meta-SIMD language, then export on the SIMD language that you want.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">A tool like this, possibly exporting back to C code (so you can add it to your project as an one-off pass), would be valuable to all programs that have legacy hard-coded SSE routines to run on any platform that support SIMD operations.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I have no idea how easy would be to do that, let alone if it's at all possible, but it seems that this is what you want. Correct me if I'm wrong.</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">cheers,</div><div class="gmail_extra">--renato</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div>