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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Actually no. I say this having done this more than once: what you do is have a person (not the presenter) scanning the audience for questions and taking the microphone to the next question while the current one is being asked. It works remarkably well and the worst problem to overcome ends up being getting the person asking the question to talk into the microphone once they hear their voice amplified.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> llvmdev-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu [mailto:llvmdev-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Molloy<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 21, 2011 1:41 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'John Criswell'; llvmdev@cs.uiuc.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [LLVMdev] Suggestions for LLVM Developer's Conference 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While this is a good idea, wouldn’t it logistically take longer to get the microphone to the person involved than for the presenter to repeat the question?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> llvmdev-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu [mailto:llvmdev-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Criswell<br><b>Sent:</b> 21 November 2011 05:07<br><b>To:</b> llvmdev@cs.uiuc.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [LLVMdev] Suggestions for LLVM Developer's Conference 2012<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>On 11/20/2011 4:33 PM, Chris Lattner wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>One idea for a hacking session would be a "performance analysis workshop". People could bring their apps, we could sample them track down what part of the compiler would need to change and code it up (if time allowed).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Given the trade offs involved, it could be helpful to many folks, the trick is to get the right people to show up.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><br>Chris, is there a formal feedback mechanism for the Developer's meeting? One comment I'd like to make is that I think we need microphones both for the speakers at the conference and for people in the audience to use to ask questions at the end. Every speaker had to repeat questions because audience members couldn't hear the questioner.<br><br>Of course, I think it speaks to LLVM's success that the meeting has such a problem: so many people attend that we have to get large rooms where hearing everyone is not possible.<br>:)<br><br>-- John T.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>-Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><br>On Nov 20, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Joe Abbey <<a href="mailto:jabbey@arxan.com">jabbey@arxan.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>David, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Sorry I missed the Community Event Planning session. There was this neat session on Backend\Infrastructure competing with it. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB>Whiteboards (with markers (and erasers?)). </span></b><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I was speaking with Dan G about the complexities of trying to get the SelectionDAG to represent physical registers. He mentioned during our conversation that a whiteboard would help. Ballroom Salon V would have been a perfect place for a whiteboard room. Surely others had conversations where if I could just draw a box... with some arrows... this concept would totally make more sense. No DNE allowed ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB>Hacking Session</span></b><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>It was an absolute blast getting to meet many of the active contributors. I think it was a great meet & greet, and the room we were in was amply stocked with refreshments. Great job on getting that going.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>But if we want to get some collaborative coding, must have a conference room with tables, whiteboards, and wifi. Also there wasn't much direction towards the hacking, we were all coming from different backgrounds and concentrations. I think if there were some air of games/competition we'd get more coding. Perhaps something like make this C code run as fast as possible, or as small as possible on x86 using only clang and llvm to compile. Patches welcome to make the code smaller/faster. Another thought is to have a C/C++ snippet which is laden with errors and or warnings, and enhance clang to diagnose what is wrong. Probably want to have some lottery-style organization of teams, so that the community is strengthened with teams consisting of various backgrounds.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>On the other hand, I bet most of the attendees would probably go for boardgame session. Many boardgames, like Settlers of Catan, Bohnanza, Ticket to Ride, Race to the Galaxy, etc etc exercise logic and strategy. I think that would be another way to keep conversations going.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Maybe others have thoughts, too.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt'>Joe Abbey<br>Software Architect<br>Arxan Technologies, Inc.<br>1305 Cumberland Ave, Ste 215<br>West Lafayette, IN 47906<br><a href="mailto:jabbey@arxan.com">jabbey@arxan.com</a><br><a href="http://www.arxan.com">www.arxan.com</a></span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>_______________________________________________<br>LLVM Developers mailing list<br><a href="mailto:LLVMdev@cs.uiuc.edu">LLVMdev@cs.uiuc.edu</a> <a href="http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu">http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu</a><br><a href="http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev">http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=EN-GB>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-GB>LLVM Developers mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-GB><a href="mailto:LLVMdev@cs.uiuc.edu">LLVMdev@cs.uiuc.edu</a> <a href="http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu">http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-GB><a href="http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev">http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvmdev</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>