[llvm-dev] RFC: Moving toward Discord and Discourse for LLVM's discussions

[James Y Knight via llvm-dev]

Switching our mailing lists from Mailman 2 to Mailman 3, instead of
switching to Discourse, might be a simpler change, and achieve some of the
benefits by providing the ability to interact via web forum. That said,
Discourse may well be a *better* option. (But I haven't actually used
Discourse yet much, so I can't really say for sure).

Quoting my comment from a previous time this subject was discussed:

> There's also mailman 3 which allows you to post from the list-archive's
> website. (I personally find browsing a mailman 3 list archive completely
> maddening compared to mailman 2's pipermail archives -- something about the
> thread layout just makes my eyes glaze over. But I guess some people like
> it, and it does allow posting.)



For an example, you can see: <https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/>.
> Note that by default it's only showing you 10 of the lists, because I guess
> pagination is supposed to be helpful. A good example list might be <
> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/>.



On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 4:04 PM Manuel Jacob via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:

> On 2019-11-18 15:18, Sam McCall via llvm-dev wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:49 PM Robinson, Paul via llvm-dev <
> > llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> >
> >> |  mailing lists for longer-form discussions are unfamiliar,
> >> difficult,
> >> and often intimidating for newcomers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Um… what?  While I know (via my own children) that folks nowadays use
> >> multiple avenues of communication, it’s **really** hard to imagine
> >> email
> >> as a **mechanism** being unfamiliar/difficult/intimidating.  Moving to
> >> a
> >> new mechanism wouldn’t alter the fact of the very large number of
> >> strangers
> >> participating, which to my mind would be the
> >> unfamiliar/difficult/intimidating part.
> >>
> >> --paulr
> >>
> > Some cases I can think of here:
> >  - unclear how to reply to a mail that was sent before you subscribed
> > to
> > the ML (obvious newbie problem - generally I'd lurk on the web until I
> > wanted to reply)
> >  - unclear how to create a partitioned space (new mailing list) for a
> > topic
> >  - subscription state/bounce messages/moderation are all IMO unclear if
> > you
> > haven't used mailman before
>
> I think that these are mostly problems with Mailman.  Some services
> (e.g. Sourcehut, see https://lists.sr.ht/) show a "Reply to" button that
> includes the correct In-Reply-To header and subject.  Sourcehut also
> makes creating lists very easy.
>
> >  - the volume of traffic on (effectively-mandatory) lists is so high
> > that
> > it requires using mail filters, most people don't use those
> >
> >
> > (A weak +1 to the concern about this change being made by some people
> > in a
> > conference room somewhere - if that's the decision-making process
> > that's
> > fine with me, but it'd be great to know that and have a defined way to
> > get
> > issues on the agenda)
> >
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