[llvm-dev] [RFC] Toolchain update policy (migrating LLVM past C++11)
JF Bastien via llvm-dev
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Wed Jan 16 15:35:18 PST 2019
Hi C++ enthusiasts!
It’s a new year, so let’s try a new approach in getting LLVM’s codebase past C++11. Instead of discussing toolchain versions and whether C++14 or 17 is best, let’s just focus on one baby step: agreeing on a policy. This policy will be used to update our toolchain, hopefully warning people in LLVM 8 and actually moving past C++11 for LLVM 9.
Good news! I believe we already have agreement on this policy. I went through all the discussions (again) and I think I captured everyone’s points of view and concerns. Here are the discussions:
LLVM dev meeting 2018 BoF "Migrating to C++14, and beyond!" <http://llvm.org/devmtg/2018-10/talk-abstracts.html#bof3>
A Short Policy Proposal Regarding Host Compilers <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2018-May/123238.html>
Using C++14 code in LLVM (2018) <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2018-May/123182.html>
Using C++14 code in LLVM (2017) <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2017-October/118673.html>
Using C++14 code in LLVM (2016) <http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2016-October/105483.html>
Document and Enforce new Host Compiler Policy <http://llvm.org/D47073>
Require GCC 5.1 and LLVM 3.5 at a minimum <http://llvm.org/D46723>When replying to this email, please avoid having the same discussions again. Please provide references to anything I might have missed. If you’re making a new point, say so. And don’t assume ill-will, I’m just trying to get us off C++11.
I have a patch for you to review: https://reviews.llvm.org/D56819 <https://reviews.llvm.org/D56819>
Here’s what it currently says our policy should be:
+We intend to require newer toolchains as time goes by. This means LLVM's
+codebase can use newer versions of C++ as they get standardized. Requiring newer
+toolchains to build LLVM can be painful for those building LLVM, it will
+therefore only be done through the following process:
+ * Generally, try to support LLVM and GCC versions from the last 3 years at a
+ minimum. This time-based guideline is not strict: we may support much older
+ compilers, or decide to support fewer ones.
+ * An RFC is sent to the `llvm-dev mailing list <http://lists.llvm.org/mailman/listinfo/llvm-dev>`_
+ - Detail upsides of the version increase (e.g. allow LLVM to use newer C++
+ language or library features; avoid miscompiles in particular compiler
+ versions, etc).
+ - Detail downsides on important platforms (e.g. Ubuntu LTS status).
+ * Once the RFC reaches consensus, update the CMake toolchain version checks
+ and this document. We want to soft-error when developers compile LLVM. We
+ say "soft-error" because the error can be turned into a warning using a
+ CMake flag. This is an important step: LLVM still doesn't have code which
+ requires the new toolchains, but it soon will. If you compile LLVM but don't
+ read the mailing list, we should tell you!
+ * Ensure that at least one LLVM release has had this soft-error. Not all
+ developers compile LLVM tip-of-tree. These release-bound developers should
+ also be told about upcoming changes.
+ * Turn the soft-error into a hard-error after said LLVM release has branched.
+ * Update the :doc:`coding standards<CodingStandards>` to explicitly allow the
+ new features we've now unlocked.
+ * Start using the new features in LLVM's codebase.
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