[llvm-dev] Implementing cross-thread reduction in the AMDGPU backend

Tom Stellard via llvm-dev llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Tue Jun 13 18:13:16 PDT 2017

On 06/13/2017 07:33 PM, Matt Arsenault wrote:
>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 17:23, Tom Stellard <tstellar at redhat.com <mailto:tstellar at redhat.com>> wrote:
>> On 06/12/2017 08:03 PM, Connor Abbott wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Tom Stellard <tstellar at redhat.com <mailto:tstellar at redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>> On 06/12/2017 07:15 PM, Tom Stellard via llvm-dev wrote:
>>>>> cc some people who have worked on this.
>>>>> On 06/12/2017 05:58 PM, Connor Abbott via llvm-dev wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I've been looking into how to implement the more advanced Shader Model
>>>>>> 6 reduction operations in radv (and obviously most of the work would
>>>>>> be useful for radeonsi too). They're explained in the spec for
>>>>>> GL_AMD_shader_ballot at
>>>>>> https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL/extensions/AMD/AMD_shader_ballot.txt,
>>>>>> but I'll summarize them here. There are two types of operations:
>>>>>> reductions that always return a uniform value, and prefix scan
>>>>>> operations. The reductions can be implemented in terms of the prefix
>>>>>> scan (although in practice I don't think we want to implement them in
>>>>>> exactly the same way), and the concerns are mostly the same, so I'll
>>>>>> focus on the prefix scan operations for now. Given an operation `op'
>>>>>> and an input value `a' (that's really a SIMD array with one value per
>>>>>> invocation, even though it's a scalar value in LLVM), the prefix scan
>>>>>> returns a[0] in invocation 0, a[0] `op' a[1] in invocation 1, a[0]
>>>>>> `op' a[1] `op' a[2] in invocation 2, etc. The prefix scan will also
>>>>>> work for non-uniform control flow: it simply skips inactive
>>>>>> invocations.
>>>>>> On the LLVM side, I think that we have most of the AMD-specific
>>>>>> low-level shuffle intrinsics implemented that you need to do this, but
>>>>>> I can think of a few concerns/questions. First of all, to implement
>>>>>> the prefix scan, we'll need to do a code sequence that looks like
>>>>>> this, modified from
>>>>>> http://gpuopen.com/amd-gcn-assembly-cross-lane-operations/ (replace
>>>>>> v_foo_f32 with the appropriate operation):
>>>>>> ; v0 is the input register
>>>>>> v_mov_b32 v1, v0
>>>>>> v_foo_f32 v1, v0, v1 row_shr:1 // Instruction 1
>>>>>> v_foo_f32 v1, v0, v1 row_shr:2 // Instruction 2
>>>>>> v_foo_f32 v1, v0, v1 row_shr:3/ / Instruction 3
>>>>>> v_nop // Add two independent instructions to avoid a data hazard
>>>>>> v_nop
>>>>>> v_foo_f32 v1, v1, v1 row_shr:4 bank_mask:0xe // Instruction 4
>>>>>> v_nop // Add two independent instructions to avoid a data hazard
>>>>>> v_nop
>>>>>> v_foo_f32 v1, v1, v1 row_shr:8 bank_mask:0xc // Instruction 5
>>>>>> v_nop // Add two independent instructions to avoid a data hazard
>>>>>> v_nop
>>>>>> v_foo_f32 v1, v1, v1 row_bcast:15 row_mask:0xa // Instruction 6
>>>>>> v_nop // Add two independent instructions to avoid a data hazard
>>>>>> v_nop
>>>>>> v_foo_f32 v1, v1, v1 row_bcast:31 row_mask:0xc // Instruction 7
>>>>>> The problem is that the way these instructions use the DPP word isn't
>>>>>> currently expressible in LLVM. We have the llvm.amdgcn.mov_dpp
>>>>>> intrinsic, but it isn't enough. For example, take the first
>>>>>> instruction:
>>>>>> v_foo_f32 v1, v0, v1 row_shr:1
>>>>>> What it's doing is shifting v0 right by one within each row and adding
>>>>>> it to v1. v1 stays the same in the first lane of each row, however.
>>>>>> With llvm.amdgcn.mov_dpp, we could try to express it as something like
>>>>>> this, in LLVM-like pseduocode:
>>>>>> %tmp = call llvm.amdgcn.mov_dpp %input row_shr:1
>>>>>> %result = foo %tmp, %input
>>>>>> but this is incorrect. If I'm reading the source correctly, this will
>>>>>> make %tmp garbage in lane 0 (since it just turns into a normal move
>>>>>> with the dpp modifier, and no restrictions on the destination). We
>>>>>> could set bound_ctrl to 0 to work around this, since it will make %tmp
>>>>>> 0 in lane 0, but that won't work with operations whose identity is
>>>>>> non-0 like min and max. What we need is something like:
>>>> Why is %tmp garbage?  I thought the two options were 0 (bound_ctrl =0)
>>>> or %input (bound_ctrl = 1)?
>>> Oh, maybe it is... for that to happen the underlying move would need
>>> to have the source and destination constrained to be the same. I
>>> couldn't see that constraint anywhere I looked, but I'm not an expert,
>>> so I may have overlooked it. In any case, that behavior still isn't
>>> what we want if we want to implement the prefix scan operations
>>> efficiently.
>> Ok, I see what you are saying now.  I think the best option here is to
>> document that the behavior of the llvm.amdgcn.mov.dpp intrinsic is to
>> copy its src operand to dst when bound_ctrl = 1 and it reads from an invalid
>> thread, and then when bound_ctrl=1, lower the intrinsic to a special tied version
>> of V_MOV_B32_dpp where the src and dst are the same register.
>> -Tom
> This came up before that there’s no way to represent the unmodified input register for the inactive lanes. I think the conclusion was that a new intrinsic is needed to represent this case but I don’t think there was a consensus on what it should look like.

I think re-defining the existing intrinsic will be easier than adding a new
one.  Also, if we add a new one, llvm.amdgcn.mov.dpp will still be broken
for the bound_ctrl=1 case, which isn't really ideal.


> -Matt

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