[llvm-dev] RFC: Second draft of an LLVM Community Code of Conduct

Sean Silva via llvm-dev llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org
Mon Oct 19 23:23:03 PDT 2015

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Pasi Parviainen via llvm-dev <
llvm-dev at lists.llvm.org> wrote:

> On 14.10.2015 23:36, Chandler Carruth via llvm-dev wrote:
>> * **Be welcoming.** We strive to be a community that welcomes and supports
>>    people of all backgrounds and identities. This includes, but is not
>> limited
>>    to members of any race, ethnicity, culture, national origin, colour,
>>    immigration status, social and economic class, educational level, sex,
>> sexual
>>    orientation, gender identity and expression, age, size, family status,
>>    political belief, religion or lack thereof, and mental and physical
>> ability.
> ...
> * **Be careful in the words that you choose.** We are a community of
>>    professionals, and we conduct ourselves professionally. Be kind to
>> others. Do
> What kind of professionals? Professional boxers perhaps? Who do have a
> habit to get under the skin of the opponent with a insults before the match.
> Rarely people in their teens, or early twenties would be considered as
> professional on any area of expertise. So by claiming that community
> consist of professionals, aren't you already discriminating against
> individuals who do not have any professional (what ever it may be) interest
> on the project?

I agree the particular phrasing here (at least to me) reads as disparaging
to people who are not employed to work on LLVM.

As a side note: this whole bullet point is sort of weird. It is titled "Be
careful in the words that you choose." which makes it sound like it is
about incidental oversights, but everything after the second sentence seems
pretty unrelated. E.g. one of the examples is "Posting (or threatening to
post) other people's personally identifying information ("doxing")." - how
does that fall under anything involving "be careful"? Similarly for "Unwelcome
sexual attention." in what way does that involve "the words that you
choose"; is there a choice of words that makes "Unwelcome sexual
attention." any more or less acceptable? Same is true for " Repeated
harassment of others.".

Was there a typo and "Be kind to others" should start a new top-level
bullet point? `* **Be kind to others.** ...`

-- Sean Silva

>    not insult or put down other participants. Harassment and other
>> exclusionary
>>    behavior aren't acceptable. This includes, but is not limited to:
>>    * Violent threats or language directed against another person.
>>    * Discriminatory jokes and language.
>>    * Posting sexually explicit or violent material.
>>    * Posting (or threatening to post) other people's personally
>> identifying
>>      information ("doxing").
>>    * Personal insults, especially those using racist or sexist terms.
>>    * Unwelcome sexual attention.
>>    * Advocating for, or encouraging, any of the above behavior.
>>    * Repeated harassment of others. In general, if someone asks you to
>> stop,
>>      then stop.
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