[LLVMdev] RFC - Improvements to PGO profile support

Ivan Baev ibaev at codeaurora.org
Thu Mar 5 16:35:12 PST 2015

Relative hotness across functions is a major requirement for most
profile-based inter-procedural optimizations - e.g. profile-based
inlining, optimizations for code size, function placement.

The proposed CFG edge/BB profile execution counts will overcome this
issue. In addition to Bob's arguments, one challenge for edge/BB execution
counts would be scaling. For example, if we reroll a loop and execution
counts for BBs/edges in the loop exceed the limit, then scaling is needed.
However this scaling will necessitate scaling BBs/edges execution counts
for the entire module. Another similar example is function merging.

On the other hand, how could we incrementally extend the current approach
of branch metadata/branch probabilities/block frequencies to provide
support for the relative hotness across functions? One idea is to
introduce a metadata for function entry count (FEC) - which is currently
available as region counter 0 in clang - and properly update it through
transformations. Take for example the inliner. When we inline callee B in
function A, we need to decrease FEC(B) by BB execution count of the
callsite, and (incrementally) recompute BlockFrequencyInfo for function A.
One issue here is the lack of function-level metadata.


> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 08:29:52 -0800
> From: Bob Wilson <bob.wilson at apple.com>
> To: Diego Novillo <dnovillo at google.com>
> Cc: Xinliang David Li <davidxl at google.com>,	LLVM Developers Mailing
> 	List <llvmdev at cs.uiuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] RFC - Improvements to PGO profile support
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>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Diego Novillo <dnovillo at google.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Diego Novillo <dnovillo at google.com
<mailto:dnovillo at google.com>> wrote:
>> I've created a few bugzilla issues with details of some of the things
I'll be looking into. I'm not yet done wordsmithing the overall design
document. I'll try to finish it by early next week at the latest. The
document is available at
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15VNiD-TmHqqao_8P-ArIsWj1KdtU-ElLFaYPmZdrDMI/edit?usp=sharing?
There are several topics covered. Ideally, I would prefer that we
discuss each topic separately. The main ones I will start working on are
>> the ones described in the bugzilla links we have in the doc.
>> This is just a starting point for us. I am not at all concerned with
implementing exactly what is proposed in the document. In fact, if we can
get the same value using the existing support, all the better. OTOH, any
other ideas that folks may have that work better than this are
>> more than welcome. I don't have really strong opinions on the matter. I
am fine with whatever works.
> Thanks for the detailed write-up on this. Some of the issues definitely
need to be addressed. I am concerned, though, that some of the ideas may
be leading toward a scenario where we have essentially two completely
different ways of representing profile information in LLVM IR. It is great
> to have two complementary approaches to collecting profile data, but two
representations in the IR would not make sense.
> The first issue raised is that profile execution counts are not
> represented in the IR. This was a very intentional decision. I know it
goes against what other compilers have done in the past. It took me a
while to get used to the idea when Andy first suggested it, so I know it
seems awkward at first. The advantage is that branch probabilities are
much easier to keep updated in the face of compiler transformations,
compared to execution counts. We are definitely missing the per-function
execution counts that are needed to be able to compare relative
> across functions, and I think that would be a good place to start making
improvements. In the long term, we should keep our options open to making
> major changes, but before we go there, we should try to make incremental
improvements to fix the existing infrastructure.
> Many of the other issues you raise seem like they could also be
> without major changes to the existing infrastructure. Let?s try to fix
those first.

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