[LLVMdev] Is LLVM our answer??
ofv at wanadoo.es
Fri Apr 1 21:39:55 PDT 2011
"Andy O'Meara" <andrew.omeara at soundspectrum.com> writes:
> so we're accessing the viability of converting our python code to
> vanilla C++ (or something else) and using LLVM/JIT during runtime to
> compile and run our code. The compiled code would be linked with
> callback glue and be invoked by calling the entry point (and execution
> would pass to the newly compiled code, occasionally returning back to
> app procs as call backs occur). In other words, we're considering
> migrating the language our content is authored from Python to C++ (or
> some other JIT-compatible language) in order to get a major performan!
> ce boost.
> From what I understand of LLVM, this would seem to be well supported.
You will need a C++ compiler that supports JIT compiling. Maybe Clang
already supports this. I think that CERN's CINT C++ interpreter is
following that route too.
In general, C++ is not an easily embeddable language. If you care about
performance and not so much about C++, there are better options. If your
language requirements are simple enough maybe you could create your own
For an incomplete, possibly outdated list of projects using LLVM see
> That said, our customers are very non-technical, so all the LLVM
> components we'd have to use would *have* to live inside our app binary
> and app resource dirs (so installing any extra components into the
> system is would be off limits).
If you are afraid of having to install runtimes similar to .Net or Mono,
there is no such problem with LLVM. It is just a set of C++ libraries
that you link into your application.
> Also, we target both OS X and
> Windows, but I'm not getting the feeling there's support for MS Visual
> Studio. I see minGW support not but no MSVS support, is that correct?
Visual Studio is supported. See
> So, in short, a list of LLVM subcomponents and tutorials for me to
> concentrate on would really help us since the LLVM universe seems so
> massive to this newcomer!
If you want to see how JITting works, take a look at the examples
distributed with LLVM, specifically Fibonacci and HowToUseJit. Reading
the documentation is also highly advised.
I also create commercial software for Windows with VS. My applications
are written on a custom language that works with a C++ runtime,
interacting with C and C++ libraries. It supports JITting with LLVM and
the performance is the same as C++ would provide. However, LLVM is not
enabled by default because LLVM is very slow at JITting for large chunks
of code (I'm usually generating more than 1 MB of native code.) If you
work with small code snippets (measured on the KBs of produced native
code) there should be no problem.
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