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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve used CCache, but I thought it might be controversial. It is not limited to low end systems. My 6 minute clang build goes down to 40 to 50 seconds. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While the sources are updated, the make cleans clear things out. Ccache takes care of that, and only the 5 or 10 files actually changed are built.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not sure that ccache is within the scope of this document. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> llvm-commits-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu [mailto:llvm-commits-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mikael Lyngvig<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 14, 2013 12:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> Reid Kleckner<br><b>Cc:</b> LLVM-commits<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PATCH] [DOCS] How to Add a Builder<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Perhaps I've misunderstood something. I thought the builders restarted from scratch each and every time so as to ensure that the complete product builds reliably. This to ensure that the project doesn't gradually rot.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If the builders simply update and remake, then there's absolutely no point in using ccache, I agree wholeheartedly to that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is anybody with knowledge of the buildbot system listening in? Do the builders start from scratch each time or do they simply resume and continue after having performed an "svn update"? The build times strongly suggest that they start over from scratch, at least some of them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- Mikael<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2013/11/14 Reid Kleckner <<a href="mailto:rnk@google.com" target="_blank">rnk@google.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Starting from scratch seems undesirable. ccache is basically just undoing that for you.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Mikael Lyngvig <<a href="mailto:mikael@lyngvig.org" target="_blank">mikael@lyngvig.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>The problem is specific to the buildbot slaves that always start from scratch. Otherwise, I agree with your views.<span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>-- Mikael<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2013/11/14 Reid Kleckner <<a href="mailto:rnk@google.com" target="_blank">rnk@google.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>IMO ccache is unnecessary if you use cmake+ninja. They actually track header dependencies well, so as long as you don't clean your build directory, you'll have fast, correct incremental builds. ccache won't save much in that situation because the preprocessed source will actually be different.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Mikael Lyngvig <<a href="mailto:mikael@lyngvig.org" target="_blank">mikael@lyngvig.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The patch basically tells that ccache is very usable for low-end Linux systems and briefly how to get going using ccache (one special option is needed, thanks to Dimitri Gribenko, for sharing this). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On my ARMv7 a repeat clean build takes less than 1/3rd the time of the initial clean build. So it is definitely something that the slow builders can benefit from. A build time of 36 minutes was reduced to approximately 11.5 minutes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I suspect it might better be put in the GettingStarted document, but I need feedback on this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If anybody dislikes the idea of putting this patch in the LLVM documentation, then please think of the fact that LLVM benefits greatly from the builders doing their job as fast as at all possible.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>-- Mikael<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>llvm-commits mailing list<br><a href="mailto:llvm-commits@cs.uiuc.edu" target="_blank">llvm-commits@cs.uiuc.edu</a><br><a href="http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvm-commits" target="_blank">http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/llvm-commits</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>