[PATCH] Developer policy amendment re. non-disclosure

Daniel Berlin dberlin at dberlin.org
Fri Oct 18 09:05:47 PDT 2013


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Rafael EspĂ­ndola <
rafael.espindola at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Honestly, if it was reasonable to blanket ban disclaimers on the
> > mailing list, i'd be first in line (on principle alone).  But it's
> > really not clear what it will achieve past making it more difficult
> > for some people to contribute.   If the concern is the possible effect
> > they have, the wording i proposed should take care of that[1].  If the
> > concern is just that they are annoying, I don't think they reach that
> > level yet.  Maybe someday they will (try joining a mailing list with
> > lawyers sometime), and we should deal with it then.  If there is some
> > other concern here i'm missing, I'd certainly like to hear what it is
> > :)
> >
>
> No other concern other than the annoyance, but why you think it is
> unreasonable?

If I remember correctly, the gcc mailings lists have a
> filter to detect and block emails with these footers.
>
> Yes, it does.
They also ban RTF/HTML mail, but allow "this stuff is not my companies
views" notices (which is just a different type of disclaimer :P). The
helpful suggestion given is "if you can't your company to stuff, you should
use a free web mail client".

In any case, the ban  has *actually* stopped people from contributing in
some cases, because they were not allowed to send email to the mailing list.
In other cases, it forced people to use non-default email clients on their
networks, etc.
This seems a bit unreasonable, given the level of annoyance they create on
the llvm mailing list *right now*.

I would agree in deep quoted technical discussion, having  disclaimers
quoted certainly breaks up the discussion in an annoying way.
However, i haven't seen any broad complaints about this anywhere, so it
seems like a small level of annoyance?

Essentially, when I balance "losing contributors or making their lives
hard" vs "a small amount of annoyance", at least personally, i don't think
it's reasonable to ban them.

If everyone really feels they are annoying as all get out, the general
consensus is that this calculus comes out the other way, fine by me :)

--Dan
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