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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I expect Rafael's concern is because the code also says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="background:white">cases, affect a person's ability to participate within them.</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So it can apply outside spaces explicitly sponsored by LLVM, in undefined circumstances.<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">--paulr<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> cfe-dev [mailto:cfe-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Berlin via cfe-dev<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rafael Espíndola<br>
<b>Cc:</b> llvm-dev; cfe-dev; openmp-dev (openmp-dev@lists.llvm.org); LLDB<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cfe-dev] [llvm-dev] FYI: Landing the initial draft for an LLVM Code of Conduct<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Rafael Espíndola <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I am strongly opposed to it as it stands.<br>
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Who decided this and with what authority? As written the code of<br>
conduct tries restrict the acceptable opinions one may voice even in<br>
channels not related to llvm at all.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">errr, it says:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LLVM Foundation. This includes IRC channels, mailing lists, bug trackers, LLVM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">vents such as the developer meetings and socials, and any other forums created<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">by the project that the community uses for communication. "<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How does this cover channels not related to llvm?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">With this in place I will not consider myself a member of the llvm<br>
community anymore and would be terrified to interact with another llvm<br>
developer in a social setting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That would be sad, but i guess i'm not sure what is causing that. Is it that there is discretion in there that you are afraid may apply to you if taken to some extreme? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rafael<br>
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On 30 June 2016 at 14:55, Chandler Carruth via cfe-dev<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><<a href="mailto:cfe-dev@lists.llvm.org">cfe-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hello folks,<br>
><br>
> As mentioned some time ago[1], we’ve had a long (looooooong) series of<br>
> discussions about establishing a code-of-conduct for the LLVM project as a<br>
> whole over on the llvm-dev thread and the <a href="http://reviews.llvm.org/D13741" target="_blank">
http://reviews.llvm.org/D13741</a><br>
> code review.<br>
><br>
> The discussion has largely died down for some time, and towards the end<br>
> there has been pretty wide support for the draft wording we have now. It<br>
> isn’t perfect, and there are still some important questions around forming<br>
> the advisory committee to handle reporting, but I think the wording is at a<br>
> good point of compromise in a challenging area.<br>
><br>
> Based on the support, I’m going to land the patch that adds the draft. I’m<br>
> hoping this will immediately provide good advice and guidance, and I’m<br>
> hoping to see motion on setting up a reasonable advisory committee and<br>
> resolving any issues around reporting so we can make this an official part<br>
> of the community.<br>
><br>
> I sending this as a heads up so folks are aware, not to start a new<br>
> discussion thread. There are existing discussion threads[2] on llvm-dev if<br>
> folks want to join in active discussion or we can start fresh ones, but I<br>
> would encourage people to carefully read the discussion that has already<br>
> taken place to avoid revisiting areas that have already been heavily<br>
> discussed.<br>
><br>
> Also, many thanks to the folks who provided all their opinions on the<br>
> mailing list threads and in person in long discussions about this topic.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> -Chandler<br>
><br>
> [1]: Prior announcements:<br>
> <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/cfe-dev/2015-October/045460.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/cfe-dev/2015-October/045460.html</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/lldb-dev/2015-October/008530.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/lldb-dev/2015-October/008530.html</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/openmp-dev/2015-October/000954.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/openmp-dev/2015-October/000954.html</a><br>
><br>
> [2]: Existing threads:<br>
> <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2015-October/091218.html</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2016-May/099120.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2016-May/099120.html</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-commits/Week-of-Mon-20151019/307070.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-commits/Week-of-Mon-20151019/307070.html</a><br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
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> <a href="http://lists.llvm.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cfe-dev" target="_blank">
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