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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, except if the target is set up to use a platform, “run” should launch the platform with some supplied args, then connect to it. Perhaps have platform args and target args; launch the platform with platform args, and pass target args to it to use when launching the inferior.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Todd Fiala [mailto:tfiala@google.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ted Woodward<br><b>Cc:</b> Zachary Turner; lldb-dev@cs.uiuc.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [lldb-dev] Process spawning and shutdown<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’d like to be able to have “run” be able to launch a supplied executable, then connect to it via gdb-remote (or another protocol).</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That sounds a lot like running an lldb-platform for a platform, and having the lldb-platform launch the stub. That scenario sounds like it would map well to the 'platform select remote-{something}', 'platform connect connect://{remote-address}:{remote-port}' paradigm?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Ted Woodward <<a href="mailto:ted.woodward@codeaurora.org" target="_blank">ted.woodward@codeaurora.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’d like to add another use case. On Hexagon, we talk to a simulator using gdb-remote. We hacked gdb to have “run” launch and connect to the simulator, and “start” do a “run”, then break at main and continue. I’ve implemented this in our lldb solution using python.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’d like to be able to have “run” be able to launch a supplied executable, then connect to it via gdb-remote (or another protocol).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:lldb-dev-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu" target="_blank">lldb-dev-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:lldb-dev-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu" target="_blank">lldb-dev-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Zachary Turner<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> Todd Fiala<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:lldb-dev@cs.uiuc.edu" target="_blank">lldb-dev@cs.uiuc.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [lldb-dev] Process spawning and shutdown</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sure, but debugserver still has to launch processes locally w/r/t itself, so this code would jsut be used there instead of in lldb. Also, it's not clear what the timeline is and waiting would jsut be lost time, so even if some of what I do now has to be redone in the debugserver world, it's still better than being blocked now and not being able to do anything :)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Todd Fiala <<a href="mailto:tfiala@google.com" target="_blank">tfiala@google.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For now, the abstraction I'm creating deals only with local processes. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>For MacOSX, the local process uses debugserver for debugging (i.e. it is always remote w/r/t process startup --- lldb will launch and debugserver will attach).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Linux is moving this way as well once we (1) get llgs passing the local test suite with llgs in place of ProcessLinux/ProcessMonitor, and (2) get llgs supporting the existing set of ProcessLinux/ProcessMonitor cpu architectures. It will be on a PlatformLinux switch that defaults to current TOT behavior until then. (See <a href="http://github.com/tfiala/lldb" target="_blank">http://github.com/tfiala/lldb</a> in the dev-llgs-local-launch branch for current state).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Not sure that affects anything but wanted to be clear on it.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Zachary Turner <<a href="mailto:zturner@google.com" target="_blank">zturner@google.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Yea, I saw that as well. For now, the abstraction I'm creating deals only with local processes. However, it has an interface that would in theory allow a RemoteProcess to derive from it, so that local and remote processes could be managed transparently.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Todd Fiala <<a href="mailto:tfiala@google.com" target="_blank">tfiala@google.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Don't forget we also have launching via Platform classes, which can end up kicking off a gdb-remote request to a lldb-platform or gdb-remote stub (llgs/debugserver).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Also, ProcessGDBRemote is capable of kicking those off if it's using gdb-remote locally.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So, if nothing else, there's the concept of a "launch via another mechanism."<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Zachary Turner <<a href="mailto:zturner@google.com" target="_blank">zturner@google.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The last major piece of the Host layer I'd like to address is process launching and cleanup. From looking over the code it seems we have the following different ways to launch a process:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>MacOSX:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * Applescript<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * XPC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * posix_spawn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Other posix variants:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * posix_spawn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Windows:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * Native windows launcher<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Among these, there are a couple of different ways to reap processes on exit and/or "join" on them. These are:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>MacOSX:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * Applescript [ No process reaping or monitoring occurs. ]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * XPC [ Uses MacOSX-specific dispatch library for monitoring ]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * posix_spawn [ Uses MacOSX-specific dispatch library for monitoring ]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Other posix variants:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * posix_spawn [ Launches a background thread to monitor for process exit, join on the thread to join on the process ]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Windows:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> * Native windows launcher [ WaitForSingleObject ]<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A few questions: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1) Is Join() on a process a useful operation that people would be interested in seeing implemented for all platforms?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2) On Linux at least, if you don't waitpid() on a process you'll end up with zombies. It seems this is true on MacOSX as well, because I see waitpid() in StartMonitoringChildProcess. Is this not true for the Applescript launcher? Why doesn't the Applescript launching code path call StartMonitoringChildProcess() anywhere?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>3) Speaking of the Applescript launcher, what is it and what is it used for?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'll probably have more questions as I wrap my head around this a little more. Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>lldb-dev mailing list<br><a href="mailto:lldb-dev@cs.uiuc.edu" target="_blank">lldb-dev@cs.uiuc.edu</a><br><a href="http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/lldb-dev" target="_blank">http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/lldb-dev</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'><br><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 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