[Lldb-commits] [PATCH] D30054: Delete DataBufferMemoryMap

Mon Feb 27 12:00:31 PST 2017

Oh that wasn't in response to the comment about wrapper classes, that was
just a general comment about the fact that we lose logging by moving to
LLVM's implementation at all.  If we have our own implementation, we could
in theory log at various stages of the mmaping process, but by moving to a
library implementation we can only log before or after.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:55 AM Jim Ingham <jingham at apple.com> wrote:

>
> > On Feb 27, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Zachary Turner <zturner at google.com> wrote:
> >
> > There may be some cases where we're no longer mmaping where we used to,
> but looking at LLVM's implementation, that would only happen if the file is
> fairly small, and there's a comment in LLVM explaining why they don't mmap
> small files.  So I think that's actually an improvement for LLDB (although
> I doubt we are frequently mapping very small files, so it might be a non
> issue).
> >
> > You are correct that we lose some logging this way, but in exchange we
> get better tested code.  The code in question that we lose though is
> basically just the call to mmap and the setup to prepare that call.  As
> long as we have the return code from mmap, we should be able to log the
> error just as gracefully.  Granted, the LLVM code doesn't return an error
> code right now, but it seems like a worthy improvement.
> >
> > I'm not sure where the right balance is between facilitating post-mortem
> diagnostics and reducing the amount of problems that happen in the first
> place, but I feel kind of dirty duplicating code just so that we can add
> logging.  Maybe there's a case to be made for adding logging hooks into
> LLVM.
>
> Why do wrapper classes mean you get significantly less well tested code?
> If they are just to support logging, you really only need to know that the
> values are passed correctly, which is easy to test, and then you could test
> that the logging is correct, though we don't currently do logging tests for
> the most part.
>
> Jim
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:00 AM Jim Ingham <jingham at apple.com> wrote:
> > I worry about stripping out the wrappers, because there are some
> differences in how lldb operates from llvm that I don't think we want to
> push down into llvm - in this case I'm thinking particularly about
> logging.  DataBufferMemoryMap did a bunch of logging, which presumably
> would get lost if you just went directly to the llvm classes.  Most of the
> tools that build out of the llvm toolset are one-pass tools, and
> reproducing problems with their operation is generally not terribly hard.
> So having a rich logging feature is not all that necessary, and the burden
> of adding it to the code not worth the benefit.  But lldb is much more
> state dependent, and is exposed to a wider variety of the vagaries of
> system behavior, and being both an interactive tool and the API's for GUI
> debuggers, has a wider and more unpredictable array of of use cases.
> Having good logging has saved my day many and many's the time over the
> years, and I don't want to lose that.
> >
> > So while I don't have any objection to changing the backing
> implementation, I still see value in the wrapper classes.
> >
> > You say LLVM memory buffers can be heap or mmap, but presumably when
> used by what used to be DataBufferMemoryMap they are using the memory map
> version, right?  Still seems useful to have the class name say what the
> thing is.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > > On Feb 27, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Zachary Turner <zturner at google.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I didn't refer to mmaping in the name because LLVM's MemoryBuffer is
> not necessarily mmap'ed.  It might be mmap'ed and it might not be.  Depends
> on various factors such as whether you specify the IsVolatile flag, how big
> the file is, and maybe a few other things.
> > >
> > > After this change we have DataBufferLLVM and DataBufferHeap.  But it
> turns out an LLVM MemoryBuffer can also be backed by the heap, which now
> makes DataBufferHeap redundant as well.  So I think longer term we might be
> able to get rid of all of LLDB's DataBuffer stuff entirely, and everything
> will just use llvm::MemoryBuffer directly.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:36 AM Jim Ingham <jingham at apple.com> wrote:
> > > This is kind of after the fact, but why didn't we reuse
> DataBufferMemoryMap for the Memory Map data buffer that now happens to be
> backed by an LLVM implementation?  DataBufferLLVM doesn't really tell
> anybody what the thing does w/o looking up the implementation.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 27, 2017, at 2:56 AM, Pavel Labath via lldb-commits <
> lldb-commits at lists.llvm.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking of a simple test like "call get on an existing file
> and
> > > > make sure it returns something reasonable" and "call get on a
> > > > non-existing file and make sure it returns null". This is a very thin
> > > > wrapper over over the llvm code, so I don't insist on it though...
> > > >
> > > > On 24 February 2017 at 15:18, Zachary Turner <zturner at google.com>
> wrote:
> > > >> I left out unit tests since we'd essentially be duplicating the
> unit tests
> > > >> of MemoryBuffer, and because it involves the file system (also this
> is
> > > >> temporary code until DataBuffer stuff goes away). Lmk if you
> disagree though
> > > >> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 2:53 AM Pavel Labath via Phabricator
> > > >> <reviews at reviews.llvm.org> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> labath added a comment.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I am not sure if this is a voting situation, but I agree with what
> Zachary
> > > >>> said above.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Since we're already speaking about tests, it looks like the new
> > > >>> DataBufferLLVM class could use a unit test or two, just so we get
> in the
> > > >>> habit of writing those.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> https://reviews.llvm.org/D30054
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
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