<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 9:23 PM Wenlei He via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think calling PGSO size opt is probably a bit misleading though. It’s more of an adaptive opt strategy, and it can improve performance too due to better locality. We have something similar internally for selecting opt level based on profile
hotness too under AutoFDO. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps similar implementations can all be unified under a profile guided “adaptive optimization” framework to avoid duplication:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="gmail-m_5184017231658352070MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">A unified way of setting hot/cold cutoff percentile (e.g. through PSI that’s already used by all PGO/FDO).<u></u><u></u></li><li class="gmail-m_5184017231658352070MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">A unified way of selecting opt strategy for cold functions: default, none, size, minsize.<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org</a>> on behalf of Modi Mo via llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Modi Mo <<a href="mailto:modimo@fb.com" target="_blank">modimo@fb.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 5:55 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Tobias Hieta <<a href="mailto:tobias@plexapp.com" target="_blank">tobias@plexapp.com</a>>, Renato Golin <<a href="mailto:rengolin@gmail.com" target="_blank">rengolin@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:ddevienne@gmail.com" target="_blank">ddevienne@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ddevienne@gmail.com" target="_blank">ddevienne@gmail.com</a>>, llvm-dev <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>>, "cfe-dev (<a href="mailto:cfe-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">cfe-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>)" <<a href="mailto:cfe-dev@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">cfe-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [llvm-dev] [RFC] New Feature Proposal: De-Optimizing Cold Functions using PGO Info<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FYI David is referring to PGSO (profile-guided size optimization) as it exists directly under that name, see:
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https://reviews.llvm.org/D67120</a>. And yeah using PGSO is selecting optsize while this change is selecting optnone.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>P<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>G<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>S<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>O<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>l<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>o<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>o<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>k<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>s<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>a<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>t<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>t<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>h<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>e<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>b<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>l<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>o<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>c<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>k<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>-<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>l<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>e<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>v<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>e<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>l<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>p<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>r<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>o<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>f<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>i<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>l<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>e<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>,<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>t<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>o<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>o<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span>.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_5184017231658352070WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/9/20, 10:58 AM, "llvm-dev on behalf of Tobias Hieta via llvm-dev" <<a href="mailto:llvm-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank">llvm-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org</a> on behalf of
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would it make sense to have a flag to select optnone or optsize? We would probably also do the tradeoff for a smaller binary. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 19:28 Renato Golin <<a href="mailto:rengolin@gmail.com" target="_blank">rengolin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">David mentioned in D87337 that LLVM has used similar techniques on code size (not sure what he was referencing, my guess will be something related to hot-cold code splitting).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IIUC, it's just using optsize instead of optnone. The idea is that, if the code really doesn't run often/at all, then the performance impact of reducing the size is negligible, but the size impact is considerable.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd wager that optsize could even be faster than optnone, as it would delete a lot of useless code... but not noticeable, as it wouldn't run much.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is an idea that we (Verona Language) are interested in, too.<u></u><u></u></p>
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