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<p class="MsoNormal">These are the builtins I have, not necessarily the builtins I desire.</p>
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<div>Eh, those aren’t the builtins I’d choose, but you do you… Reid’s implementation seems to match the quirks chosen, so I’m not sure there’s anything else to do here.
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They are volatile ops that are guaranteed to use 1 instruction to do that load. So for x86 that means using x87, or MMX, or SSE to do the load. They also suppress the ‘volatile is affected by the /volatile:ms vs. /volatile:iso setting’ warnings. <atomic> uses
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#define _ISO_VOLATILE_STORE8(_Storage, _Value) __iso_volatile_store8(_Atomic_address_as<char>(_Storage), _Value)</div>
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#define _ISO_VOLATILE_STORE16(_Storage, _Value) __iso_volatile_store16(_Atomic_address_as<short>(_Storage), _Value)</div>
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<b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:jfbastien@apple.com" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">JF Bastien</a><br class="">
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On Jul 30, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Eli Friedman via cfe-dev <<a href="mailto:cfe-dev@lists.llvm.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">cfe-dev@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<b class="">From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>cfe-dev <<a href="mailto:cfe-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">cfe-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org</span></a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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We can’t use _Atomic because it would not be ABI compatible with our std::atomic; in particular, because we put the spinlock for non-lock-free atomics inside the atomic, for instance. And because that isn’t a thing for some of our supported frontends.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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There are actually multiple APIs to access C++11 atomics in clang, since we invented APIs in parallel with gcc. The __atomic_* builtins (<a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgcc.gnu.org%2Fonlinedocs%2Fgcc%2F_005f_005fatomic-Builtins.html&data=02%7C01%7Cbion%40microsoft.com%7C5665cfc981d6467422ac08d7156b5a4d%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637001423138742477&sdata=hHYErAA2WohoEM5GDdpGElWzPn4H3xGD%2B3A5R9YOwKE%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/_005f_005fatomic-Builtins.html" shash="q6mUkvRxFjibT3FtvDIO4xJq2aav9fd4wj2N+P2Zsf513ts+V7tKwSwYYE59uWJQ+a/ifGI/SbdbQK0FFA0as2Mkwmse8AJNHfynOMA/3L2m3YaDnkZg0BSI9U5xeB0kvr+DNl69aFQslGT5h8Sd7uwoTZP/3erm0yoBDEZdwsc=" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/_005f_005fatomic-Builtins.html</span></a>)
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