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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">TL;DR: I think "lags significantly" is overstating the case. The only feature I can identify that Clang doesn't have (wrt the things brought up in that Fedora
post) is a real `-fstack-clash-protection` implementation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I read through that post a couple of times looking for a list, and eventually noticed a reference to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/redhat-rpm-config/blob/master/f/buildflags.md<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">which is probably as close to an actual list of security options as we're going to get (it talks about many different options and doesn't explicitly call out
those that are security-related). Between that reference and other comments in the Fedora issue, the list is probably something like this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-fstack-protector-strong<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Clang has this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-fcf-protection<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Clang has this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">AFAICT, Clang supports what is needed by this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Being a preprocessor symbol, this is mostly about glibc changes to support protections on various unsafe library calls; those in turn depend on a pile of builtins,
which are likely the ones implemented in this GCC patch:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2004-09/msg02055.html<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I see a bunch of builtins with these sorts of names in Clang, so if nobody has filed bugs, I suspect this should all work (when using glibc).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-fstack-clash-protection<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Clang does not recognize this option. Curiously I see two patches to add it, neither of them has been committed. I think there's a reasonable argument that
a key security option should not be recognized and ignored.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">FTR, the `buildflags.md` documentation says this keeps large stack allocations from skipping over a check of the guard page.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">@Sylvestre do you want to file a bug requesting this option?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">--paulr<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> cfe-dev [mailto:cfe-dev-bounces@lists.llvm.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sylvestre Ledru via cfe-dev<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 19, 2019 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> clang Development List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cfe-dev] How clang compares with gcc on security hardening ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Looking at a Fedora thread ( <a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2020">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2020</a> ) about changing the compiler from gcc to clang to build Firefox,<br>
I noticed the following statement:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span class="commenttext">"Clang lags significantly behind GCC on security hardening"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Some of the arguments or missing features are discussed here:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2020#comment-546825">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2020#comment-546825</a> and other answers<br>
<a href="https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2020#comment-545776">https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2020#comment-545776</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I am wondering if these statements are accurate and if they are enough of a worry?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks,<br>
Sylvestre<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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