<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br>Seems easier to me to separate the two pieces - move ahead with the non-zero options, and separate the discussion on the zero option. You can present performance numbers from what you can measure without shipping a compiler with the feature - and if those numbers are sufficiently compelling compared to the risks of slicing the language, then perhaps we go that way.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>This approach will significantly impair my ability to do the measurements I need. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I'm aware waht I'm proposing would make it more difficult for some people to take measurements - that's a tradeoff to be sure - one where I err in this direction.<br><br>Specifically for Google though - would it be that difficult for Google to opt-in to a certain build configuration of LLVM? </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Absolutely yes. </div><div>Google is not just a single <a href="http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/2860000/2854146/p78-potvin.pdf?ip=104.133.8.94&id=2854146&acc=OA&key=4D4702B0C3E38B35%2E4D4702B0C3E38B35%2E4D4702B0C3E38B35%2E5945DC2EABF3343C&__acm__=1543446999_3aadcd36f657e2297430c38bee93f16c">monolithic code base</a>. </div><div>Besides that monolithic thing, we have Android, Chrome, ChromeOS, Fuchsia, and a bazillion of smaller efforts that use their own toolchains. </div><div>In some cases the most reliable and complete way of measuring performance changes is to submit the changes to revision control, <br></div><div>and let the performance bots shew it for a couple of days. That's how we iterated with the LLVM's CFI in Chrome. </div><div>We will also need to work with the upstream Linux kernel -- it's hard enough for them to use clang and a modified clang will cost us much more effort. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>We/Google do build the compiler from scratch, I assume we pick the configuration options we build with & some of them probably aren't the defaults for a release build of LLVM. So if it was important that Google's production compiler had these features enabled (rather than building a test compiler for running some experiments), that doesn't seem (at least to me, at this moment) especially prohibitive, is it?<br> </div></div></div>
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