<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Sean Silva <<a href="mailto:silvas@purdue.edu">silvas@purdue.edu</a>> wrote:<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>I think that Alp made a really good point: "Clang" is a developer-facing product that a lot more developers interact with than compiler engineers. <a href="http://llvm.org/" target="_blank">llvm.org</a> and even <a href="http://clang.llvm.org/" target="_blank">clang.llvm.org</a> are really focused on bringing people into the open source community and serving us compiler hackers, but it does a really poor job serving users that just want to use a compiler and look up a few options or language extensions.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>When I reorganized the clang docs front page, I was actually amazed at how things fell out. We actually have a quite nice slice of docs that broadly fall under the category "Using Clang as a Compiler" <<a href="http://clang.llvm.org/docs/#using-clang-as-a-compiler">http://clang.llvm.org/docs/#using-clang-as-a-compiler</a>>, and I made sure to put those front and center.<br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah, that is great. It would also be interesting to have a blogroll (or something) on it talking about various people using the compiler, tips and tricks, etc.</div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Oh, and the main web page could really use an update, being almost unmodified since its inception.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yeah it would be nice to have a web site that looks like it was developed by a web designer, not a compiler hacker :) Our dragon logo is awesome, how did that come about? Maybe we could emulate that process to net a fresh fancy webpage. (I'm assuming that the dragon logo wasn't designed by a compiler hacker; if it was, then this is me bowing to their skill).</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The dragon came about when Apple paid a 3rd party icon design company to design it for LLVM. I gave them the guidance of "a high tech dragon" and a graphics artist did magic :-)</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br>In many ways, this is the same problem that projects like Eclipse have. Since eclipse is both a community and an IDE, the main "<a href="http://www.eclipse.org/" target="_blank">http://www.eclipse.org</a>" web site is pretty useless for people who just want a Java IDE. I'm not finding any great examples of open source projects "doing it right", but <a href="http://linux.com/" target="_blank">linux.com</a> for example is targeted as users and advocates of the linux OS, not at kernel hackers.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think the "normal" way to do it these days (for better or for worse) is for a project's home page to be entirely "non-developer-centric", but have a "github" ribbon/button that developers know to look for.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right, it would make sense to keep <a href="http://clang.llvm.org">clang.llvm.org</a> as the compiler hackers kingdom. There could be a prominent link from <a href="http://clang.org">clang.org</a> that points to it.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br>I think it could be really great to have a user-centric landing page, and if we do that, making <a href="http://clang.org/" target="_blank">clang.org</a> be it would be truly great.</div></blockquote><div><br></div>
<div>Agreed. That sounds like a perfect use for the domain.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>What do you think Alp? Does this make sense to you? I think this aligns with (my understanding of) your intended purpose for the domain, and would be fantastic for the project.</div><div><br></div><div>-Chris</div><br></body></html>