[cfe-dev] [LLVMdev] Phabricator update

Fri Jul 10 12:20:08 PDT 2015

It's actually surprising to me that the emails from Phabricator and llvm's
svn *DO* get through most of the time.

Both of these fabricate the "From" address to generate an email purportedly
be from the author of the svn revision or phabricator comment's email
address. While the message is hopefully from the real person behind that
email address, those messages are decidedly NOT from that email account.
It's not even in the arguably gray area which is mailing lists (forwarding
-- with some modifications to subject and body -- an email really written
from the "From" account). No, these messages are just fabricated
whole-cloth without the knowledge of the sending domain's email system.

So, recipients which run DMARC checks will rightfully detect these emails
as illegitimate, and might reject/quarentine/etc them.

(I've no idea if that's actually what's going on with Apple's servers, but
an increasing number of domains are using dmarc checks at least as one
input of "potentially-spam", if not to outright reject the messages. And it
makes sense to do so: that the entire internet can historically write
emails that purport to be from me isn't actually a good feature.)

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:

> OK, for now I filed the ticket with a sample email that did reach me.
> Please still let me know if you can dig up a bounced email.
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:
>
> Do you have a bounced email, we can look at for clues?
>
> On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:49 AM, Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, apple addresses still bounce without a reason - the sendgrid folks say
> this is completely controlled by apple.com
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__apple.com_&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=CnzuN65ENJ1H9py9XLiRvC_UQz6u3oG6GUNn7_wosSM&m=Mqa_1g5UKNsbn0aQ0VKFPBirtuDLkBvBQ0yu679mx54&s=elG6EczxmfWncMZKv-yxppaOGn5OpDDaWLaUt3hLv9w&e=>'s
> mail servers - do you have somebody you can ask?
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>
>> I filed a ticket with sendgrid. Since we're paying them money nowadays, I
>> hope they'll answer quickly
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:05 AM Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> aaaaaand you're on the bounce list again. I'm going to delete you again,
>>> but I'd be curious what the problem is...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:50 PM Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 8, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You were in sendgrid's bounce list (there must have been at least one
>>>> bounce from your email to the apple servers). Please let me know if other
>>>> people had similar problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, lovely :(.  Thanks for the quick fix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> … just to confirm.  I got my first email from Phab.  Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 6:11 PM Adam Nemet <anemet at apple.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Manuel,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the update it has some nice new features.  There is one
>>>>> issue I am seeing since the update though.  I am the reviewer on
>>>>> http://reviews.llvm.org/D10386
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__reviews.llvm.org_D10386&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=Mfk2qtn1LTDThVkh6-oGglNfMADXfJdty4_bhmuhMHA&m=off40ffVn-cooharm4ZU3zg8h52va9Tu6rZ6_kvcGlQ&s=RN5zr9YsY6N9JCWdZsVghsr5QrI7432N_x20HINOetw&e=> but
>>>>> I didn’t get any email for the updates since my entry on July 1.  Do you
>>>>> know what’s going on?  We had some issues recently with Phab emails being
>>>>> delayed on Apple mail servers but these emails seems to have completely
>>>>> disappeared.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 2, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Manuel Klimek <klimek at google.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings llvm'ers,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm working on an update to phabricator that brings our fork
>>>>> significantly closer to the upstream version, thus making maintenance much
>>>>> easier; this will allow us to upgrade more often.
>>>>>
>>>>> Upstream has fixed many issues and introduced new ways to customize
>>>>> the email flow, so
>>>>>
>>>>> a) while rolling out the new version I'll be fiddling with config
>>>>> settings; during that time, you might see emails that are not yet what
>>>>> we'll want the end-state to be; I'll announce on this thread once this is
>>>>> done
>>>>>
>>>>> b) the new version gives people more control over the emails; that
>>>>> means, if you're a phab user, you might get some emails that the list
>>>>> doesn't get (if you wish to); you can configure that from phab's email
>>>>> settings
>>>>>
>>>>> Once this is finished, please respond on this thread with your
>>>>> concerns / comments, or file bugs at
>>>>> https://llvm.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=Website
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__llvm.org_bugs_enter-5Fbug.cgi-3Fproduct-3DWebsite&d=AwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=Mfk2qtn1LTDThVkh6-oGglNfMADXfJdty4_bhmuhMHA&m=GwQiNgcce55Y-XWCLRie0Je5Va0syrg0At7yCDT2vAc&s=QCpvfTDl5b01KKe2jPNduOCZwh_aJYBxo11o94zSB8A&e=>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> /Manuel
>>>>>
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