[cfe-dev] libc++ red-black tree: halving the branches
silvas at purdue.edu
Fri Apr 6 19:42:57 PDT 2012
I've got a little bit for everybody:
Howard: I completely understand your points. By no means did I intend this
code in its current form to get into libc++, it was mostly just an
experiment. I would not myself advocate this code change without clear
evidence of a performance win.
Chandler: perf is a really good tool for monitoring this stuff. There are a
lot of low-level performance considerations, and measuring is the only way
to really evaluate this kind of change. Also I think there are more "macro"
optimizations to be made to the rebalancing code to reduce branches and
branch mispredicts, bringing me to...
Joerg: wow, that code is insane. the author really groks the red-black tree
algorithms like nothing that I've ever seen before (not even CLRS). For
example in the insert rebalancing, they put the Case 1 recoloring in the
loop by itself. Case 2 and 3 for are put *outside* the loop, which makes so
much sense since Case 2 and 3 only execute exactly once (if at all), since
the tree is balanced after that code runs. Also, their use of an array to
hold the left and right nodes is beautiful! I though I was clever with the
pointer-to-members, but the array version is simpler, and to boot they can
use the result of comparisons like (father == grandpa->rb_right) directly
to index which one to use.
Yet another case in the field of computing where a more-complicated
solution (pointer to members to determine left and right) has a better,
Dave: from the point of view of code understandability, the current code is
probably about as good as it gets, since it is essentially a mirror image
in code in the CLRS algorithms book, which to my knowledge is where pretty
much everybody learns how red-black trees work (and uses as a reference for
the rb-tree algorithms). Unfortunately, the CLRS code is more theoretically
oriented and their "programming language" for the algorithms lacks many of
the more powerful capabilities that real computers have, such as
dynamically choosing offsets for member access. Actually, my original
inspiration for this was the "else" branch in RB-Insert-Fixup, which simply
says "(same as then branch but with left and right reversed)".
I have to say, that netbsd red-black tree has really piqued my interest.
Two other red-black trees I have seen "in the wild"---the linux one and the
nginx one---also follow the more to-the-book implementation like libc++'s;
perhaps this is because the netbsd-like code has no significant advantage?
Or maybe it is simply obscurity of this approach? idk, but I think I'm
going to end up writing at least a couple red-black trees in order to test
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Dave Abrahams <dave at boostpro.com> wrote:
> on Thu Apr 05 2012, Howard Hinnant <hhinnant-AT-apple.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 5, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Dave Abrahams wrote:
> >> on Thu Apr 05 2012, Howard Hinnant <hhinnant-AT-apple.com> wrote:
> >>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Dave Abrahams wrote:
> >>>> on Wed Apr 04 2012, Howard Hinnant <
> hhinnant-2kanFRK1NckAvxtiuMwx3w-AT-public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>>>> I don't believe code size is going to be a driver on this one as the
> >>>>> potential savings tops out in the neighborhood of 30 instructions
> >>>>> (which is small compared to the entire R/B tree container code). The
> >>>>> bottom line is going to be performance. Your rewrite is interesting,
> >>>>> but for me, significantly harder to read. So it will have to
> >>>>> with significant performance wins. And if it does, I think
> >>>>> __tree_remove would benefit from the same treatment. However if
> >>>>> looking at zero or marginal performance wins, then I favor the
> >>>>> code: it is easier to reason about and maintain.
> >>>> Really, even with the duplication of left/right logic? Seems to me
> >>>> if the code size reduction isn't a win and there are performance costs
> >>>> you could still improve maintainability while maintaining the current
> >>>> generated code structure by passing the member pointers as template
> arguments to a
> >>>> helper function template.
> >>> The libc++ code base is open source and I am happy to review patches.
> >> Awww... I'm not trying to get you to change anything. My question is
> >> whether you think it's better for maintainability (in this case?) to
> >> write out two totally symmetric branches with duplicated logic than it
> >> is to eliminate that duplication, and if so, why. I could also take
> >> your response to mean "I really don't have time to deal with questions
> >> like that," which would be fine, too.
> > To properly answer your question I would have to write an alternative
> > version of the code in question. So I'm asking you to pose your
> > question in terms of alternative code I can study, instead of taking
> > on the job myself of crafting that alternative.
> Well, I wasn't looking for an answer that's any more "proper" than your
> statement above that the current code is easier to reason about and
> maintain. It's OK with me if you don't feel like sticking your neck out
> further on this one without something more solid to look at, but while
> that project does sound like a lot of fun, it was a mostly-idle question
> and I don't have time to take it on at the moment.
> Dave Abrahams
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