<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 2, 2018, at 10:43 PM, Richard Smith <<a href="mailto:richard@metafoo.co.uk" class="">richard@metafoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 January 2018 at 19:02, John McCall via cfe-commits <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:cfe-commits@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank" class="">cfe-commits@lists.llvm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail-h5"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 2, 2018, at 9:15 PM, Akira Hatanaka <<a href="mailto:ahatanaka@apple.com" target="_blank" class="">ahatanaka@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 2, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Richard Smith via cfe-commits <<a href="mailto:cfe-commits@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank" class="">cfe-commits@lists.llvm.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 January 2018 at 15:33, John McCall via cfe-commits<span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:cfe-commits@lists.llvm.org" target="_blank" class="">cfe-commits@<wbr class="">lists.llvm.org</a>></span><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Hey, Richard et al. Akira and I were talking about the right ABI rule for deciding can-pass-in-registers-ness for structs in the presence of trivial_abi, and I think I like Akira's approach but wanted to get your input.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The current definition in Itanium is:<div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <a name="m_-7492911719749036381_m_4763064200015128419_non-trivial" style="font-family:-webkit-standard" class=""><i class="">non-trivial for the purposes of calls</i></a></div><dt style="font-family:-webkit-standard" class=""><a name="m_-7492911719749036381_m_4763064200015128419_non-trivial" class=""></a></dt><dd style="font-family:-webkit-standard" class=""><a name="m_-7492911719749036381_m_4763064200015128419_non-trivial" class=""><p class="">A type is considered non-trivial for the purposes of calls if:</p><ul class=""><li class="">it has a non-trivial copy constructor, move constructor, or destructor, or</li></ul></a></dd></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="">I'm assuming we're implicitly excluding deleted functions here. (I'd prefer to make that explicit; this has been the source of a number of ABI mismatches.)</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><dd style="font-family:-webkit-standard" class=""><a name="m_-7492911719749036381_m_4763064200015128419_non-trivial" class=""><ul class=""><li class="">all of its copy and move constructors are deleted.</li></ul></a></dd><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'd suggest modifying this to:</div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>A type is considered non-trivial for the purposes of calls if:</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- if has a copy constructor, move constructor, or destructor which is non-trivial for the purposes of calls, or</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- all of its copy and move constructors are deleted and it does not have the trivial_abi attribute.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>A copy/move constructor is considered trivial for the purposes of calls if:</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- it is user-provided and</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- the class has the trivial_abi attribute and</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- a defaulted definition of the constructor would be trivial for the purposes of calls; or</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We'd need to say what happens if the function in question cannot validly be defaulted for any of the reasons in [dcl.fct.def.default]. Do we try to infer whether it's a copy or move constructor, and use the rules for a defaulted copy or move constructor? Or do we just say that's never trivial for the purposes of calls? Or something else? Eg:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">struct [[clang::trivial_abi]] A {</div><div class=""> A(A && = make());</div><div class="">};</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here, A::A(A&&) cannot validly be defaulted. Is A trivial for the purpose of calls? Likewise:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">struct [[clang::trivial_abi]] B {</div><div class=""> B(...);</div><div class="">};</div><div class="">struct C {</div><div class=""> volatile B b;</div><div class="">};</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here, C's copy constructor calls B::B(...). Is C trivial for the purpose of calls? (OK, Clang crashes on that example today. But still...)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'd be uncomfortable making the rules in [dcl.fct.def.default] part of the ABI; they seem to be changing relatively frequently. Perhaps we could say "if the function is a copy constructor ([class.copy.ctor]<wbr class="">/1), then consider what an implicitly-declared defaulted copy constructor would do; if it's a move constructor ([class.copy.ctor]/2), then consider what an implicitly-declared defaulted move constructor would do; otherwise, it's not trivial for the purpose of calls". That'd mean A is trivial for the purpose of calls and C is not, which I think is probably the right answer.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- it is not user-provided and</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- the class has no virtual functions and no virtual base classes, and</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- the constructor used to copy/move each direct base class subobject is trivial for the purposes of calls, and</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- for each non-static data member that is of class type (or array thereof), the constructor selected to copy/move that member is trivial for the purposes of calls.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>A destructor is considered trivial for the purposes of calls if:</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- it is not user-provided or the class has the trivial_abi attribute, and</div><div class=""><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- the destructor is not virtual, and</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- all of the direct base classes of its class have destructors that are trivial for the purposes of calls, and</div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>- for all of the non-static data members of its class that are of class type (or array thereof), each such class is trivial for the purposes of calls.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="gmail-m_-7492911719749036381gmail-m_4763064200015128419Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>These definitions are intended to follow [class.copy.ctor]p11 and [class.dtor]p6 except for the special rules applicable to trivial_abi classes.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If I could rephrase: a *tor is considered trivial for for the purposes of calls if it is either defaulted or the class has the trivial_abi attribute, and the defaulted definition would satisfy the language rule for being trivial but with the word "trivial" replaced by "trivial for the purposes of calls". So only effect of the trivial_abi attribute is to "undo" the non-triviality implied by a user-provided *tor when computing triviality for the purpose of calls.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think that's a reasonable rule, if we have a satisfactory notion of "defaulted definition".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">I'm not sure about the "defaulted definition" rule for copy/move constructors in trivial_abi classes. The intent is to allow class temploids with trivial_abi that are instantiated to contain non-trivial classes to just silently become non-trivial. I was thinking at first that it would be nice to have a general rule that trivial_abi classes only contain trivial_abi subobjects, but unfortunately that's not consistent with the standard triviality rule in some silly corner cases: a trivially-copyable class can have a non-trivially-copyable subobject if it happens to copy that subobject with a trivial copy constructor. I couldn't think of a better way of capturing this than the "defaulted definition" rule. I considered using the actual initializers used by the constructor, but that would introduce a lot of new complexity: suddenly we'd be asking about triviality for an arbitrary constructor, and copy/move elision make the question somewhat ambiguous anyway.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Per the above examples, I don't think you can escape asking about triviality for an arbitrary constructor if you take this path.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Another option, similar to your general rule, would be to say that a type is considered trivial for the purpose of calls if either: (1) it is trivial for the purpose of calls under the current Itanium ABI rule, or (2) it has the trivial_abi attribute and all members and base classes have types that are trivial for the purpose of calls. That would sidestep the "defaulted definition" complexity entirely, and while it differs from the way that the language computes triviality normally, it doesn't seem fundamentally unreasonable: when we're thinking about triviality for the purpose of calls, there's notionally a call to the trivial copy/move ctor being elided, not a call to an arbitrary ctor selected by overload resolution, and we'd just be pushing that effect from the class itself to its subobjects with this attribute.</div><div class=""> </div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It sounds like a class containing a member that has a type annotated with “trivial_abi” would not necessarily be considered trivial for the purpose of calls according to rule (2)? For example, S1 would not be trivial for the purpose of calls because it isn’t annotated with “trivial_abi” in the code below:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">struct [[clang::trivial_abi]] S0 {</div><div class=""> // user-provided special functions declared here.</div><div class="">};</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">struct S1 {</div><div class=""> S0 f0;</div><div class="">};</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>I thought we wanted containing classes (S1 in this case) to be trivial for the purpose of calls too?</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div>I would like that, yeah.</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">OK, I think that's fair. Then we probably need the more complex rule. Which I think means we're at something equivalent to:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>A type is considered non-trivial for the purposes of calls if:</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- if has a copy constructor, move constructor, or destructor <b class="">that is not deleted and</b> is non-trivial for the purposes of calls, or</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- all of its copy and move constructors are deleted and it does not have the trivial_abi attribute.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>A copy/move constructor is considered trivial for the purposes of calls if:<br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- it is user-provided and</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- the class has the trivial_abi attribute and</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- <b class="">a defaulted definition of a constructor with the signature of the implicit copy/move constructor for the class would be trivial for the purposes of calls</b>; or</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- it is not user-provided and</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- the class has no virtual functions and no virtual base classes, and</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- the constructor used to copy/move each direct base class subobject is trivial for the purposes of calls, and</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- for each non-static data member that is of class type (or array thereof), the constructor selected to copy/move that member is trivial for the purposes of calls.</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span><b class="">A constructor that is neither a copy constructor nor a move constructor is considered non-trivial for the purposes of calls</b>.</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>This clause is there to handle constructors that are copy/move constructors only because of defaulted arguments? I wonder if this is necessary; I think the allocator-like use cases would prefer that we just ignore the non-initial arguments, wouldn't they?</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>A destructor is considered trivial for the purposes of calls if:</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- it is not user-provided or the class has the trivial_abi attribute, and</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- the destructor is not virtual, and</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- all of the direct base classes of its class have destructors that are trivial for the purposes of calls, and</div><div class=""><span style="white-space:pre" class=""> </span>- for all of the non-static data members of its class that are of class type (or array thereof), each such class is trivial for the purposes of calls.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bolded phrases are changed from John's initial email.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Thank you for the revision; this is much improved.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>John.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class="">John.</div></font></span><span class="gmail-"><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">I'm also not sure about the right rules about virtual methods. Should we allow polymorphic classes to be made trivial by application of the attribute?</div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think that it probably doesn't make much sense to pass dynamic classes indirectly unless we can avoid passing the vptr; otherwise I'd expect we'd use too many registers for it to be worthwhile. Perhaps as a compromise, we could make the attribute ill-formed if used on a class definition that introduces any virtual bases or explicitly declares any member functions as 'virtual'. 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