<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Bob Wilson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob.wilson@apple.com" target="_blank">bob.wilson@apple.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>OK, we just have different understanding of “maintaining”.</div><div><br></div><div>I agree we do not currently have anyone “maintaining” this platform at the level you are looking for. But, there are people relying on it and it doesn’t make any sense to threaten to rip it out, just because we don’t currently have good tests.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, the reason to rip it out is because it doesn't have active maintainers. Active maintainers are (IMO) reasonably expected to know enough about the system to write decent tests for it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It does sometimes help to threaten to remove features and systems that have users but aren't being actively maintained, mostly because it usually causes a maintainer to step forward. We've even does this routinely in the past with targets. See the sparc backend for a classic example.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>There are a lot of things in LLVM for which we do not have good testing. It is totally reasonable of you to request that someone add better tests, but I don’t know anything more about win32-macho than you do, and I don’t know of anyone who is still involved with LLVM who would be in a better position to tackle that.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>If you, a person who is fixing a bug in this system based on user feedback, neither are a viable maintainer nor know of any viable maintainer, then I think the only rational conclusion is that it is completely unmaintained.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>But, since I agree with you that more tests would be valuable, I’ve filed an internal request for someone to do that:<br>
</div><div><<a>rdar://problem/17271215</a>> add more tests for win32-macho (EFI) platform</div></blockquote></div><br>This is all I was looking for, but if someone doesn't step forward to maintain this problem actively and reasonably, then just as we do with targets in LLVM and other platform support, I think that this platform will need to be removed to keep the project healthy. I don't think there is any hurry, but eventually the project will have to move forward even if no one has bothered to maintain this platform and it hurts some users.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-Chandler</div></div>